Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] usability: don't ask questions if no reply is required

["Jean-Noël AVILA" <jn.avila@free.fr>]

Le jeudi 4 mai 2017, 10:14:58 CEST Kerry, Richard a écrit :
> 
> My point was to ensure that where English is used on-screen it should make sense, which in this particular case it didn't (a French idiom which, on using an automatic translator, didn't make sense in English).  The same of course applies to other languages used on-screen.
> 
> I agree about ensuring that the application doesn't elicit a response that it won't, or can't, actually handle.  A rhetorical question is fine, so long as it is clear that the program won't accept any further input.
> 
> Though I don't agree about the issue of the length of words, as presented to a non-native speaker.  Sometimes a longer word can be very specific in its meaning, and can be looked up in a dictionary if the reader is not familiar with it.  Sometimes using shorter words can result in a less clear meaning, or perhaps be an idiomatic usage, which might be missed by a non-native speaker.
> 

Thanks. So what's the status of this patch series? I don't buy the idea of rhetorical HMI. That's a sure way to confuse non-native speakers. Please note that I kept the questions when there is a following text. Only questions addressing the user at the end of output have been rephrased.

For the "do you mean" questions, the proposition would then simply be: "the most similar command is:" or "the most similar commands are:".

and then  what about the other patches?

Thanks


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> Richard.
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> From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [avarab@gmail.com]
> Sent: 04 May 2017 10:09
> To: Kerry, Richard
> Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] usability: don't ask questions if no reply is required
> 
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Kerry, Richard <richard.kerry@atos.net> wrote:
> >
> > May I suggest that " The most approaching commands" doesn't make much sense as English (I don't think a command can "approach").
> > Perhaps it should be " The most appropriate commands".
> 
> I had the same concern, saying "appropriate" is IMO also confusing.
> The point of this UI is not to point out what you should be running,
> which "appropriate" implies, but just "we couldn't find what you
> meant, did you mean one of these?".
> 
> I think nothing needs to change here. The whole premise here is that a
> program should never ask a question when you can't give an answer, I
> think that's nonsense. There's such a thing as a rhetorical question,
> and sometimes using that form is the most obvious & succinct way to
> put things.
> 
> Which is not to say that phrasing these things as a non-question can't
> be better, but the suggestions so far just seem more complex.
> 
> Also keep in mind that a huge part of the user base for git using the
> English UI consists of non-native speakers, and when in doubt we
> should definitely be picking simpler English like "did you mean?" v.s.
> alternatives with >10 character more obscure words.
> 
> > Richard Kerry
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:git-owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Noel Avila
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 10:07 PM
> > To: git@vger.kernel.org
> > Cc: rashmipai36@gmail.com; Jean-Noel Avila <jn.avila@free.fr>
> > Subject: [PATCH v2 1/3] usability: don't ask questions if no reply is required
> >
> > There has been a bug report by a corporate user that stated that "spelling mistake of stash followed by a yes prints character 'y'
> > infinite times."
> >
> > This analysis was false. When the spelling of a command contains errors, the git program tries to help the user by providing candidates which are close to the unexisting command. E.g Git prints the
> > following:
> >
> >         git: 'stahs' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
> >         Did you mean this?
> >
> >         stash
> >
> > and then exits.
> >
> > The problem with this hint is that it is not formally indicated as an hint and the user is in fact encouraged to reply to the question, whereas the Git command is already finished.
> >
> > The user was unlucky enough that it was the command he was looking for, and replied "yes" on the command line, effectively launching the `yes` program.
> >
> > The initial error is that the Git programs, when launched in command-line mode (without interaction) must not ask questions, because these questions would normally require a user input as a reply while they won't handle indeed. That's a source of confusion on UX level.
> >
> > To improve the general usability of the Git suite, the following rule was applied:
> >
> > if the sentence
> >  * appears in a non-interactive session
> >  * is printed last before exit
> >  * is a question addressing the user ("you")
> >
> > the sentence is turned into affirmative and proposes the option.
> >
> > The basic rewording of the question sentences has been extended to other spots found in the source.
> >
> > Requested at https://github.com/git/git-scm.com/issues/999 by rpai1
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Jean-Noel Avila <jn.avila@free.fr>
> > ---
> >  builtin/am.c       | 4 ++--
> >  builtin/checkout.c | 2 +-
> >  help.c             | 4 ++--
> >  3 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/builtin/am.c b/builtin/am.c index a95dd8b4e..f5afa438d 100644
> > --- a/builtin/am.c
> > +++ b/builtin/am.c
> > @@ -1312,7 +1312,7 @@ static int parse_mail(struct am_state *state, const char *mail)
> >         }
> >
> >         if (is_empty_file(am_path(state, "patch"))) {
> > -               printf_ln(_("Patch is empty. Was it split wrong?"));
> > +               printf_ln(_("Patch is empty. It may have been split wrong."));
> >                 die_user_resolve(state);
> >         }
> >
> > @@ -1940,7 +1940,7 @@ static void am_resolve(struct am_state *state)
> >
> >         if (unmerged_cache()) {
> >                 printf_ln(_("You still have unmerged paths in your index.\n"
> > -                       "Did you forget to use 'git add'?"));
> > +                       "You might want to use 'git add' on them."));
> >                 die_user_resolve(state);
> >         }
> >
> > diff --git a/builtin/checkout.c b/builtin/checkout.c index bfa5419f3..05037b9b6 100644
> > --- a/builtin/checkout.c
> > +++ b/builtin/checkout.c
> > @@ -1287,7 +1287,7 @@ int cmd_checkout(int argc, const char **argv, const char *prefix)
> >                  */
> >                 if (opts.new_branch && argc == 1)
> >                         die(_("Cannot update paths and switch to branch '%s' at the same time.\n"
> > -                             "Did you intend to checkout '%s' which can not be resolved as commit?"),
> > +                             "'%s' can not be resolved as commit, but it should."),
> >                             opts.new_branch, argv[0]);
> >
> >                 if (opts.force_detach)
> > diff --git a/help.c b/help.c
> > index bc6cd19cf..4658a55c6 100644
> > --- a/help.c
> > +++ b/help.c
> > @@ -411,8 +411,8 @@ const char *help_unknown_cmd(const char *cmd)
> >
> >         if (SIMILAR_ENOUGH(best_similarity)) {
> >                 fprintf_ln(stderr,
> > -                          Q_("\nDid you mean this?",
> > -                             "\nDid you mean one of these?",
> > +                          Q_("\nThe most approaching command is",
> > +                             "\nThe most approaching commands are",
> >                            n));
> >
> >                 for (i = 0; i < n; i++)
> > --
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