From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net ([194.109.24.28]:58676 "EHLO lb2-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751370AbdCDKxt (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Mar 2017 05:53:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] v4l: Clearly document interactions between formats, controls and buffers To: Laurent Pinchart , linux-media@vger.kernel.org References: <20170228150320.10104-1-laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com> <20170228150320.10104-3-laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com> Cc: linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Hans Verkuil , Sakari Ailus From: Hans Verkuil Message-ID: <30dd7931-7c7c-70ed-1a62-00756406761c@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 11:53:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170228150320.10104-3-laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-media-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Hi Laurent, Here is my review: On 28/02/17 16:03, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > V4L2 exposes parameters that influence buffers sizes through the format > ioctls (VIDIOC_G_FMT, VIDIOC_TRY_FMT and VIDIO_S_FMT). Other parameters S_SELECTION should be mentioned here as well (more about that later). > not part of the format structure may also influence buffer sizes or > buffer layout in general. One existing such parameter is rotation, which > is implemented by the VIDIOC_ROTATE control and thus exposed through the > V4L2 control ioctls. > > The interaction between those parameters and buffers is currently only > partially specified by the V4L2 API. In particular interactions between > controls and buffers isn't specified at all. The behaviour of the > VIDIOC_S_FMT ioctl when buffers are allocated is also not fully > specified. > > This commit clearly defines and documents the interactions between > formats, controls and buffers. > > The preparatory discussions for the documentation change considered > completely disallowing controls that change the buffer size or layout, > in favour of extending the format API with a new ioctl that would bundle > those controls with format information. The idea has been rejected, as > this would essentially be a restricted version of the upcoming request > API that wouldn't bring any additional value. > > Another option we have considered was to mandate the use of the request > API to modify controls that influence buffer size or layout. This has > also been rejected on the grounds that requiring the request API to > change rotation even when streaming is stopped would significantly > complicate implementation of drivers and usage of the V4L2 API for > applications. > > Applications will however be required to use the upcoming request API to > change at runtime formats or controls that influence the buffer size or > layout, because of the need to synchronize buffers with the formats and > controls. Otherwise there would be no way to interpret the content of a > buffer correctly. > > Signed-off-by: Laurent Pinchart > --- > Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst | 88 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > 1 file changed, 88 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst > index ac58966ccb9b..5c58db98ab7a 100644 > --- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst > +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst > @@ -34,6 +34,94 @@ flags are copied from the OUTPUT video buffer to the CAPTURE video > buffer. > > > +Interactions between formats, controls and buffers > +================================================== > + > +V4L2 exposes parameters that influence the buffer size, or the way data is > +laid out in the buffer. Those parameters are exposed through both formats and > +controls. One example of such a control is the ``V4L2_CID_ROTATE`` control > +that modifies the direction in which pixels are stored in the buffer, as well > +as the buffer size when the selected format includes padding at the end of > +lines. > + > +The set of information needed to interpret the content of a buffer (e.g. the > +pixel format, the line stride, the tiling orientation or the rotation) is > +collectively referred to in the rest of this section as the buffer layout. > + > +Modifying formats or controls that influence the buffer size or layout require > +the stream to be stopped. Any attempt at such a modification while the stream > +is active shall cause the format or control set ioctl to return the ``EBUSY`` > +error code. This is not what happens today: it's not the streaming part that causes EBUSY to be returned but whether or not buffers are allocated. Today we do not support changing buffer sizes on the fly, so any attempt to call an ioctl that would change the buffer size is blocked and EBUSY is returned. To be precise: drivers call vb2_is_busy() to determine this. To my knowledge all vb2-using drivers behave like this. There may be old drivers that do not do this (and these have a high likelyhood of being wrong). > + > +Controls that only influence the buffer layout can be modified at any time > +when the stream is stopped. As they don't influence the buffer size, no > +special handling is needed to synchronize those controls with buffer > +allocation. > + > +Formats and controls that influence the buffer size interact with buffer > +allocation. As buffer allocation is an expensive operation, drivers should > +allow format or controls that influence the buffer size to be changed with > +buffers allocated. A typical ioctl sequence to modify format and controls is > + > + #. VIDIOC_STREAMOFF > + #. VIDIOC_S_FMT > + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS > + #. VIDIOC_QBUF > + #. VIDIOC_STREAMON > + > +Queued buffers must be large enough for the new format or controls. > + > +Drivers shall return a ``ENOSPC`` error in response to format change > +(:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT`) or control changes (:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_CTRL` or > +:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS`) if buffers too small for the new format are > +currently queued. As a simplification, drivers are allowed to return an error > +from these ioctls if any buffer is currently queued, without checking the > +queued buffers sizes. Drivers shall also return a ``ENOSPC`` error from the > +:c:func:`VIDIOC_QBUF` ioctl if the buffer being queued is too small for the > +current format or controls. Actually, today qbuf will return -EINVAL (from __verify_length in videobuf2-v4l2.c) in these cases. I am pretty sure you can't change that to ENOSPC since this has always been -EINVAL, and so changing this would break the ABI. Trying to change the format while buffers are allocated will return EBUSY today. If you are trying to document what will happen when drivers allow format changes on the fly then this is not at all clear from what you write here. So: If the driver does not support changing the format while buffers are queued, then it will return EBUSY (true for almost (?) all drivers today). If it does support this, then it will behave as described above, except for the ENOSPC error in QBUF. Note that the meaning of ENOSPC should also be explicitly documented in the ioctls that can return this. > Together, these requirements ensure that queued > +buffers will always be large enough for the configured format and controls. > + > +Userspace applications can query the buffer size required for a given format > +and controls by first setting the desired control values and then trying the > +desired format. The :c:func:`VIDIOC_TRY_FMT` ioctl will return the required > +buffer size. > + > + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS(x) > + #. VIDIOC_TRY_FMT() > + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS(y) > + #. VIDIOC_TRY_FMT() > + > +The :c:func:`VIDIOC_CREATE_BUFS` ioctl can then be used to allocate buffers > +based on the queried sizes (for instance by allocating a set of buffers large > +enough for all the desired formats and controls, or by allocating separate set > +of appropriately sized buffers for each use case). > + > +To simplify their implementation, drivers may also require buffers to be > +reallocated in order to change formats or controls that influence the buffer > +size. In that case, to perform such changes, userspace applications shall > +first stop the video stream with the :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` ioctl if it > +is running and free all buffers with the :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` ioctl if > +they are allocated. The format or controls can then be modified, and buffers > +shall then be reallocated and the stream restarted. A typical ioctl sequence > +is > + > + #. VIDIOC_STREAMOFF > + #. VIDIOC_REQBUFS(0) > + #. VIDIOC_S_FMT > + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS > + #. VIDIOC_REQBUFS(n) > + #. VIDIOC_QBUF > + #. VIDIOC_STREAMON > + > +The second :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` call will take the new format and control > +value into account to compute the buffer size to allocate. Applications can > +also retrieve the size by calling the :c:func:`VIDIOC_G_FMT` ioctl if needed. > + > +When reallocation is required, any attempt to modify format or controls that > +influences the buffer size while buffers are allocated shall cause the format > +or control set ioctl to return the ``EBUSY`` error code. Ah, here you describe the 99% situation. This should come first. You've been working on the 1% that allows changing formats while buffers are allocated so that feels all-important to you, but in reality almost all drivers use the 'simplified' implementation. Describe that first, then go on describing what will happen for your driver. That will make much more sense to me (as you can tell from the preceding comments) and I'm sure to the end-user as well. What should be mentioned here as well is that S_SELECTION can also implicitly change the format, specifically if there is no scaler or if the scaler has limitations. Also there are a few ioctls that can reset selections and formats when called: S_INPUT/S_OUTPUT, S_STD and S_DV_TIMINGS. I think this should be mentioned here. It can be just in passing, no need to go in-depth on that. As long as people are aware of it. The documentation of S_STD and S_DV_TIMINGS should also be updated saying that if the new std or timings differ from the existing std or timings, then the format will also change and selection rectangles will be reset to the defaults. Setting the std/dv_timings with the current std or timings will not do anything: there are applications that do this even when streaming so this should be allowed. Unfortunately, this is not documented but it really should. If you don't have time to update the S_STD/DV_TIMINGS ioctls, then let me know and I will do that. > + > + > .. c:type:: v4l2_buffer > > struct v4l2_buffer > Regards, Hans