From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A6DC4743D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2021 10:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07C261278 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2021 10:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231659AbhFHKqD (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Jun 2021 06:46:03 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.24]:34329 "EHLO mout.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231262AbhFHKqC (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Jun 2021 06:46:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.155] ([77.7.0.189]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MnJdC-1l7e5D1hvo-00jJJM; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 12:43:43 +0200 Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal To: Jason Gunthorpe Cc: "Tian, Kevin" , LKML , Joerg Roedel , Lu Baolu , David Woodhouse , "iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org" , "kvm@vger.kernel.org" , "Alex Williamson (alex.williamson@redhat.com)" , Jason Wang , Eric Auger , Jonathan Corbet , "Raj, Ashok" , "Liu, Yi L" , "Wu, Hao" , "Jiang, Dave" , Jacob Pan , Jean-Philippe Brucker , David Gibson , Kirti Wankhede , Robin Murphy References: <20210602172424.GD1002214@nvidia.com> <20210604123054.GL1002214@nvidia.com> From: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" Message-ID: <329fcd72-605a-fc10-1a8d-c3f2ac3be9a1@metux.net> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 12:43:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210604123054.GL1002214@nvidia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: tl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kQlbcYVyqh7Kv3mxj3JGjk3dxcaEReaRMO1wJlQyxPkwqc3rlNB ty1P4s3Q1U8YMBl+PAGTd/B9xN3luktYAJUvcIm8MxNrn5Ufw3QW/pOSLFBXCidANQm2vOL Kf0ipNSyGmyjvOYlXaOs+iavgR+8to7ozNqxLBThWjyjeMPtyrDyKl4eF6lXS34Ejofrm6p wfyAMKuEHX4+5ky7Fwr4A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:nhyYPjt/oTs=:181063X6GaNOTval4U+P8Y cwsH0SmjAvrMHg8eLaYi+NgNCkjBaK49pcjziRRbc2+BTBWboMP1G/J6UGA1JZO4o0rkgiJRu js1Wg22BcB3fVTdJ8XE8KwKizdDPS/mUiTNloNqCDjgMVH0vBodTGeko3MzQ+1K2pbo4PxVqY pacCRkNxVyN4T88mjozcEpKiSYPcf4I29DPsjgKlvb+2dX1w01/bpnmZYZoApd7H9elPk1jYf FA/7iRSaojlhbDSqWViQX0cY6iufNvofS2ydC4paMpcH7mUXEPmNaKzxdw+io8RzhbL8pO+3K 4TRWLInFEwbidBxYATrioZTqZ0N4hpCp/SvYDIfcNHiZjug8V0s7MpVr/6AdAPnHjSUXxAwHU f3BBAibd9lz3HbL12eZR4kIAFZDAYovq6GU08s1DtCbTzhUJirHdNHyixNjMC0yr7JmjWVv4k EkfU+sMCbj+4vxIa7lW+wuha41v3jnKCkDRiUIah6CNkFHkFkHddfO1LO8xkBbrN0KGw7hQZb pc4pd+imbUHacOaBdIOXCQ= Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 04.06.21 14:30, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Hi, > Containers already needed to do this today. Container orchestration is > hard. Yes, but I hate to see even more work upcoming here. > Yes, /dev/ioasid shouldn't do anything unless you have a device to > connect it with. In this way it is probably safe to stuff it into > every container. Okay, if we can guarantee that, I'm completely fine. >>> Having FDs spawn other FDs is pretty ugly, it defeats the "everything >>> is a file" model of UNIX. >> >> Unfortunately, this is already defeated in many other places :( >> (I'd even claim that ioctls already break it :p) > > I think you are reaching a bit :) > >> It seems your approach also breaks this, since we now need to open two >> files in order to talk to one device. > > It is two devices, thus two files. Two separate real (hardware) devices or just two logical device nodes ? --mtx -- --- Hinweis: unverschlüsselte E-Mails können leicht abgehört und manipuliert werden ! 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