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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: vm lock contention reduction
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:53:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D250A47.DEF108DA@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207042315560.6047-100000@imladris.surriel.com

Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 4 Jul 2002, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > Of course, that change means that we wouldn't be able to throttle
> > page allocators against IO any more, and we'd have to do something
> > smarter.  What a shame ;)
> 
> We want something smarter anyway.  It just doesn't make
> sense to throttle on one page in one memory zone while
> the pages in another zone could have already become
> freeable by now.
> 

Or pages from the same zone, indeed.

I think what we're saying here is: during writeback, park the
pages somewhere out of the way.  Page allocators go to sleep
on some waitqueue somewhere.  Disk completion interrupts put
pages back onto the LRU and wake up waiting page allocators.

That's all fairly straightforward, but one remaining problem
is: who does the writeback?  We can get large amounts of 
page allocation latency due to get_request_wait(), not just
wait_on_page().

Generally, the pdflush pool should be sufficient for this but
with many spindles it is possible that the kernel will run out
of pdflush resources.

So we may still need to make page allocating processes start I/O
if wakeup_bdflush() fails to find a thread.   If so, then the
implementation should prefer to make processes which are dirtying
memory start the IO.

Or provide a non-blocking try_to_submit_bio() for pdflush.

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-05  2:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-04 23:05 vm lock contention reduction Andrew Morton
2002-07-04 23:26 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-04 23:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05  1:37   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  1:49     ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05  2:18       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  2:16         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05  2:53           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-07-05  3:52             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-05  4:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-05  5:38             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  5:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-05  6:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-05  6:27                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-05  6:33                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05  7:33                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-07  2:50                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-07  3:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07  3:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08 11:39                             ` Enhanced profiling support (was Re: vm lock contention reduction) John Levon
2002-07-08 11:39                               ` John Levon
2002-07-08 17:52                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-08 17:52                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-08 18:41                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-08 18:41                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10  2:22                                   ` John Levon
2002-07-10  2:22                                     ` John Levon
2002-07-10  4:16                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10  4:16                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10  4:38                                       ` John Levon
2002-07-10  4:38                                         ` John Levon
2002-07-10  5:46                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10  5:46                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-10 13:10                                         ` bob
2002-07-10 13:10                                           ` bob
2002-07-09 16:57                                 ` John Levon
2002-07-09 19:56                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-07  5:16                           ` vm lock contention reduction Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07  6:13                         ` scalable kmap (was Re: vm lock contention reduction) Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07  6:37                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-07  7:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07  9:04                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-07 16:13                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07 18:31                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07 18:55                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-07 19:02                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-08  7:24                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08  8:09                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-08 14:50                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-08 20:39                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08 21:08                                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-08 21:45                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08 22:24                                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-07 16:00                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-07 18:28                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-08  7:11                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-08 10:15                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-08  7:00                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-08 17:29                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-08 22:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-09  0:16                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-09  3:17                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-09  4:28                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-09  5:28                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-09  6:15                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-09  6:30                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09  6:32                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 16:08                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-09 17:32                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-10  5:32                                     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 22:43                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-10 23:08                                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 23:26                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-11  0:19                                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-12 17:48                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-13 11:18                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-09 13:59                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-08  0:38                         ` vm lock contention reduction William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-05  6:46                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-05 14:25                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-05 23:11         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-05 23:48           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-06  0:11             ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-06  0:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-06  0:45                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-06  0:48               ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-08  0:59                 ` William Lee Irwin III

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