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From: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Nathan Studer <nathan.studer@dornerworks.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>,
	Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>, Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/16] SUPPORT.md: Add core functionality
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:36:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3c4e9ced-6191-ee22-d529-655479ed0500@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5A13EBE2020000780019051F@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 11/21/2017 08:03 AM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 13.11.17 at 16:41, <george.dunlap@citrix.com> wrote:
>> --- a/SUPPORT.md
>> +++ b/SUPPORT.md
>> @@ -16,6 +16,65 @@ for the definitions of the support status levels etc.
>>  
>>  # Feature Support
>>  
>> +## Memory Management
>> +
>> +### Memory Ballooning
>> +
>> +    Status: Supported
> 
> Is this a proper feature in the context we're talking about? To me
> it's meaningful in guest OS context only. I also wouldn't really
> consider it "core", but placement within the series clearly is a minor
> aspect.
> 
> I'd prefer this to be dropped altogether as a feature, but

This doesn't make any sense to me.  Allowing a guest to modify its own
memory requires a *lot* of support, spread throughout the hypervisor;
and there are a huge number of recent security holes that would have
been much more difficult to exploit if guests didn't have the ability to
balloon up or down.

If what you mean is *specifically* the technique of making a "memory
balloon" to trick the guest OS into handing back memory without knowing
it, then it's just a matter of semantics.  We could call this "dynamic
memory control" or something like that if you prefer (although we'd have
to mention ballooning in the description to make sure people can find it).

> Acked-by: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
> is independent of that.
> 
>> +### Credit2 Scheduler
>> +
>> +    Status: Supported
> 
> Sort of unrelated, but with this having been the case since 4.8 as it
> looks, is there a reason it still isn't the default scheduler?
Well first of all it was missing some features which credit1 had:
namely, soft affinity (i.e., required for host NUMA awareness) and caps.
 These were checked in this release cycle; but we also wanted to switch
the default at the beginning of a development cycle to get the highest
chance of shaking out any weird bugs.

So according to those criteria, we could switch to credit2 being the
default scheduler as soon as 4.10 development window opens.

At some point recently Dario said there were still some unusual behavior
he wanted to dig into; but I think with him not working for Citrix
anymore, it's doubtful we'll have resource to take that up; the best
option might be to just pull the lever and see what happens.

 -George

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-21 10:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-13 15:41 [PATCH 01/16] Introduce skeleton SUPPORT.md George Dunlap
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 02/16] SUPPORT.md: Add core functionality George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:03   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 10:36     ` George Dunlap [this message]
2017-11-21 11:34       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 03/16] SUPPORT.md: Add some x86 features George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:09   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 10:42     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 11:35       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 12:24         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 13:00           ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 12:32         ` Ian Jackson
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 04/16] SUPPORT.md: Add core ARM features George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:11   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 10:45     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 10:59       ` Julien Grall
2017-11-21 11:37       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 12:39         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 13:01           ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 05/16] SUPPORT.md: Toolstack core George Dunlap
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 06/16] SUPPORT.md: Add scalability features George Dunlap
2017-11-16 15:19   ` Julien Grall
2017-11-16 15:30     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 16:43     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 17:31       ` Julien Grall
2017-11-21 17:51         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:16   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 07/16] SUPPORT.md: Add virtual devices common to ARM and x86 George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:29   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21  9:19     ` Paul Durrant
2017-11-21 10:56     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 11:41       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 17:20         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-22 11:05           ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-22 16:16             ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 17:35     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-22 11:07       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 08/16] SUPPORT.md: Add x86-specific virtual hardware George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:39   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 18:02     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-22 11:11       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-22 11:21         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-22 11:45         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-22 16:30         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 09/16] SUPPORT.md: Add ARM-specific " George Dunlap
2017-11-16 15:41   ` Julien Grall
2017-11-22 16:32     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-16 15:41   ` Julien Grall
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 10/16] SUPPORT.md: Add Debugging, analysis, crash post-portem George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:48   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 18:19     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-21 19:05       ` Ian Jackson
2017-11-21 19:21         ` Andrew Cooper
2017-11-22 10:51           ` George Dunlap
2017-11-22 11:15       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-22 17:06         ` George Dunlap
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 11/16] SUPPORT.md: Add 'easy' HA / FT features George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:49   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 12/16] SUPPORT.md: Add Security-releated features George Dunlap
2017-11-16 16:23   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2017-11-21  8:52   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-22 17:13     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-23 10:13       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 13/16] SUPPORT.md: Add secondary memory management features George Dunlap
2017-11-21  8:54   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-21 19:55   ` Andrew Cooper
2017-11-22 17:15     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-23 10:35       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-23 10:42         ` Olaf Hering
2017-11-23 11:55           ` Olaf Hering
2017-11-23 12:00             ` George Dunlap
2017-11-23 12:17               ` Andrew Cooper
2017-11-23 12:45                 ` Olaf Hering
2017-11-23 12:58                   ` Andrew Cooper
2017-11-23 17:58                     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 14/16] SUPPORT.md: Add statement on PCI passthrough George Dunlap
2017-11-14 13:25   ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2017-11-22 17:18     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-16 15:43   ` Julien Grall
2017-11-22 18:58     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-22 19:05       ` Rich Persaud
2017-11-21  8:59   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-22 17:20     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 15/16] SUPPORT.md: Add statement on migration RFC George Dunlap
2017-11-13 15:41 ` [PATCH 16/16] SUPPORT.md: Add limits RFC George Dunlap
2017-11-21  9:26   ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-22 18:01     ` George Dunlap
2017-11-23 10:33       ` Jan Beulich
2017-11-13 15:43 ` [PATCH 01/16] Introduce skeleton SUPPORT.md George Dunlap
2017-11-20 17:01 ` Jan Beulich

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