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From: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
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	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
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	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 3/6] drivers: firmware: psci: Implement shallow suspend mode
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:22:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3caf0f3f-76e5-cb1e-7c0f-87ed5e1c2b86@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdVmu4AYZ6MZHd79N2-2gELR6s3oZ46UnEszCfLvHymY1w@mail.gmail.com>



On 21/02/17 16:32, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> Hi Sudeep,
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> wrote:
>> On 21/02/17 11:07, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>>> Enable support for "shallow" suspend mode, also known as "Standby" or
>>>> "Power-On Suspend".
>>>>
>>>> As secondary CPU cores are taken offline, "shallow" suspend mode saves
>>>> slightly more power than "s2idle", but less than "deep" suspend mode.
>>>> However, unlike "deep" suspend mode, "shallow" suspend mode can be used
>>>> regardless of the presence of support for PSCI_SYSTEM_SUSPEND, which is
>>>> an optional API in PSCI v1.0.
>>>
>>> If system supports "shallow" suspend, why does not PSCI implement it?
>>
>> Yes it can, and IIUC it already does on this platform with CPU_SUSPEND.
>> All it now needs is just to use existing "freeze" suspend mode in Linux.
> 
> How can Linux know if using "deep" suspend will allow to wake-up the system
> according to configured wake-up sources, or not?
>

I am not sure if we have such selective configuration of wakeup source
implemented in Linux.

ACPI specification has some provisions where each device can state if it
can specify device state in each system sleeping state that can wake the
system.

DT has no mechanism today to express this relations. I had brought up
this discussion in plumbers(2015). Refer slide 7 in [0]

And the way you are trying to do that is not correct IMO especially
making it just PSCI specific.

> Note that "it will not, ever" is an accepted answer.
>

IIUC, it's not implemented today. I can't talk about future ;), but your
proposal is horrible hack.

-- 
Regards,
Sudeep

[0]
https://linuxplumbersconf.org/2015/ocw//system/presentations/3051/original/wakeup_config.pdf

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From: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven
	<geert+renesas-gXvu3+zWzMSzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi
	<lorenzo.pieralisi-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Lina Iyer <lina.iyer-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 3/6] drivers: firmware: psci: Implement shallow suspend mode
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:22:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3caf0f3f-76e5-cb1e-7c0f-87ed5e1c2b86@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdVmu4AYZ6MZHd79N2-2gELR6s3oZ46UnEszCfLvHymY1w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>



On 21/02/17 16:32, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> Hi Sudeep,
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> On 21/02/17 11:07, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>>> Enable support for "shallow" suspend mode, also known as "Standby" or
>>>> "Power-On Suspend".
>>>>
>>>> As secondary CPU cores are taken offline, "shallow" suspend mode saves
>>>> slightly more power than "s2idle", but less than "deep" suspend mode.
>>>> However, unlike "deep" suspend mode, "shallow" suspend mode can be used
>>>> regardless of the presence of support for PSCI_SYSTEM_SUSPEND, which is
>>>> an optional API in PSCI v1.0.
>>>
>>> If system supports "shallow" suspend, why does not PSCI implement it?
>>
>> Yes it can, and IIUC it already does on this platform with CPU_SUSPEND.
>> All it now needs is just to use existing "freeze" suspend mode in Linux.
> 
> How can Linux know if using "deep" suspend will allow to wake-up the system
> according to configured wake-up sources, or not?
>

I am not sure if we have such selective configuration of wakeup source
implemented in Linux.

ACPI specification has some provisions where each device can state if it
can specify device state in each system sleeping state that can wake the
system.

DT has no mechanism today to express this relations. I had brought up
this discussion in plumbers(2015). Refer slide 7 in [0]

And the way you are trying to do that is not correct IMO especially
making it just PSCI specific.

> Note that "it will not, ever" is an accepted answer.
>

IIUC, it's not implemented today. I can't talk about future ;), but your
proposal is horrible hack.

-- 
Regards,
Sudeep

[0]
https://linuxplumbersconf.org/2015/ocw//system/presentations/3051/original/wakeup_config.pdf
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From: sudeep.holla@arm.com (Sudeep Holla)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH/RFC 3/6] drivers: firmware: psci: Implement shallow suspend mode
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:22:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3caf0f3f-76e5-cb1e-7c0f-87ed5e1c2b86@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdVmu4AYZ6MZHd79N2-2gELR6s3oZ46UnEszCfLvHymY1w@mail.gmail.com>



On 21/02/17 16:32, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> Hi Sudeep,
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> wrote:
>> On 21/02/17 11:07, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>>> Enable support for "shallow" suspend mode, also known as "Standby" or
>>>> "Power-On Suspend".
>>>>
>>>> As secondary CPU cores are taken offline, "shallow" suspend mode saves
>>>> slightly more power than "s2idle", but less than "deep" suspend mode.
>>>> However, unlike "deep" suspend mode, "shallow" suspend mode can be used
>>>> regardless of the presence of support for PSCI_SYSTEM_SUSPEND, which is
>>>> an optional API in PSCI v1.0.
>>>
>>> If system supports "shallow" suspend, why does not PSCI implement it?
>>
>> Yes it can, and IIUC it already does on this platform with CPU_SUSPEND.
>> All it now needs is just to use existing "freeze" suspend mode in Linux.
> 
> How can Linux know if using "deep" suspend will allow to wake-up the system
> according to configured wake-up sources, or not?
>

I am not sure if we have such selective configuration of wakeup source
implemented in Linux.

ACPI specification has some provisions where each device can state if it
can specify device state in each system sleeping state that can wake the
system.

DT has no mechanism today to express this relations. I had brought up
this discussion in plumbers(2015). Refer slide 7 in [0]

And the way you are trying to do that is not correct IMO especially
making it just PSCI specific.

> Note that "it will not, ever" is an accepted answer.
>

IIUC, it's not implemented today. I can't talk about future ;), but your
proposal is horrible hack.

-- 
Regards,
Sudeep

[0]
https://linuxplumbersconf.org/2015/ocw//system/presentations/3051/original/wakeup_config.pdf

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-21 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-20 20:33 [PATCH/RFC 0/6] PSCI: Fix non-PMIC wake-up if SYSTEM_SUSPEND cuts power Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33 ` [PATCH/RFC 1/6] alarmtimer: Postpone wake-up source registration until really available Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33 ` [PATCH/RFC 2/6] PM / Wakeup: Add wakeup_source_available() Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33 ` [PATCH/RFC 3/6] drivers: firmware: psci: Implement shallow suspend mode Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 10:42   ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 10:42     ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:23     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:23       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:23       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:51       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:51         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:51         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 11:07   ` Pavel Machek
2017-02-21 11:07     ` Pavel Machek
2017-02-21 11:07     ` Pavel Machek
2017-02-21 11:14     ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 11:14       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 11:14       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:32       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:32         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:32         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 17:20         ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 17:20           ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 17:20           ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 17:20           ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 18:06           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 18:06             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 18:06             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 18:06             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 18:18             ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 18:18               ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 18:18               ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 18:23               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 18:23                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 18:23                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 18:23                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 17:22         ` Sudeep Holla [this message]
2017-02-21 17:22           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 17:22           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 17:22           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 13:47           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 13:47             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 13:47             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 14:35             ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 14:35               ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 14:35               ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-20 20:33 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/6] drivers: firmware: psci: Fix non-PMIC wake-up if SYSTEM_SUSPEND cuts power Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 10:50   ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 10:50     ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:36     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:36       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:36       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:49       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:49         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:49         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 11:07   ` Pavel Machek
2017-02-21 11:07     ` Pavel Machek
2017-02-21 16:36     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:36       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:36       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 17:54     ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 17:54       ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 17:48   ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-21 17:48     ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-22 14:05     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 14:05       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 14:05       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 14:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:57         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:57         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:57         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-20 20:33 ` [PATCH/RFC 5/6] arm64: dts: r8a7795: Fix non-PMIC wake-up sources Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33 ` [PATCH/RFC 6/6] arm64: dts: r8a7796: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-20 20:33   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 10:38 ` [PATCH/RFC 0/6] PSCI: Fix non-PMIC wake-up if SYSTEM_SUSPEND cuts power Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 10:38   ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:21   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:21     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:21     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 16:45     ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:45       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:45       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 16:45       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 17:34       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 17:34         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 17:34         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-21 17:51         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 17:51           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 17:51           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:27           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:27             ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:27             ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:27             ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:45             ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:45               ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:45               ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-21 18:45               ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22  1:14               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22  1:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22  1:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 11:03                 ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 11:03                   ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 11:03                   ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 13:38                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 13:38                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 13:38                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 14:32                     ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 14:32                       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 14:32                       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 14:32                       ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 14:50                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:50                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:50                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:50                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 15:24                         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 15:24                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 15:24                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 15:24                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-23 15:26                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-23 15:26                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-23 15:26                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-23 15:34                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-23 15:34                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-23 15:34                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-23 15:58                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-23 15:58                             ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-23 15:58                             ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-23 15:53                         ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-23 15:53                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-23 15:53                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-23 15:53                           ` Sudeep Holla
2017-02-22 13:14                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 13:14                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 13:14                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-02-22 14:31                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:31                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:31                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-02-22 14:31                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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