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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/9] mm, sparse-vmemmap: Introduce compound pagemaps
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 10:38:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3d6923af-2684-cbdc-928c-2d849cc2062b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201208172901.17384-1-joao.m.martins@oracle.com>

On 08.12.20 18:28, Joao Martins wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> This small series, attempts at minimizing 'struct page' overhead by
> pursuing a similar approach as Muchun Song series "Free some vmemmap
> pages of hugetlb page"[0] but applied to devmap/ZONE_DEVICE. 
> 
> [0] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20201130151838.11208-1-songmuchun@bytedance.com/
> 
> The link above describes it quite nicely, but the idea is to reuse tail
> page vmemmap areas, particular the area which only describes tail pages.
> So a vmemmap page describes 64 struct pages, and the first page for a given
> ZONE_DEVICE vmemmap would contain the head page and 63 tail pages. The second
> vmemmap page would contain only tail pages, and that's what gets reused across
> the rest of the subsection/section. The bigger the page size, the bigger the
> savings (2M hpage -> save 6 vmemmap pages; 1G hpage -> save 4094 vmemmap pages).
> 
> In terms of savings, per 1Tb of memory, the struct page cost would go down
> with compound pagemap:
> 
> * with 2M pages we lose 4G instead of 16G (0.39% instead of 1.5% of total memory)
> * with 1G pages we lose 8MB instead of 16G (0.0007% instead of 1.5% of total memory)
> 

That's the dream :)

> Along the way I've extended it past 'struct page' overhead *trying* to address a
> few performance issues we knew about for pmem, specifically on the
> {pin,get}_user_pages* function family with device-dax vmas which are really
> slow even of the fast variants. THP is great on -fast variants but all except
> hugetlbfs perform rather poorly on non-fast gup.
> 
> So to summarize what the series does:
> 
> Patches 1-5: Much like Muchun series, we reuse tail page areas across a given
> page size (namely @align was referred by remaining memremap/dax code) and
> enabling of memremap to initialize the ZONE_DEVICE pages as compound pages or a
> given @align order. The main difference though, is that contrary to the hugetlbfs
> series, there's no vmemmap for the area, because we are onlining it.

Yeah, I'd argue that this case is a lot easier to handle. When the buddy
is involved, things get more complicated.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb
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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Jane Chu <jane.chu@oracle.com>,
	Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/9] mm, sparse-vmemmap: Introduce compound pagemaps
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 10:38:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3d6923af-2684-cbdc-928c-2d849cc2062b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201208172901.17384-1-joao.m.martins@oracle.com>

On 08.12.20 18:28, Joao Martins wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> This small series, attempts at minimizing 'struct page' overhead by
> pursuing a similar approach as Muchun Song series "Free some vmemmap
> pages of hugetlb page"[0] but applied to devmap/ZONE_DEVICE. 
> 
> [0] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20201130151838.11208-1-songmuchun@bytedance.com/
> 
> The link above describes it quite nicely, but the idea is to reuse tail
> page vmemmap areas, particular the area which only describes tail pages.
> So a vmemmap page describes 64 struct pages, and the first page for a given
> ZONE_DEVICE vmemmap would contain the head page and 63 tail pages. The second
> vmemmap page would contain only tail pages, and that's what gets reused across
> the rest of the subsection/section. The bigger the page size, the bigger the
> savings (2M hpage -> save 6 vmemmap pages; 1G hpage -> save 4094 vmemmap pages).
> 
> In terms of savings, per 1Tb of memory, the struct page cost would go down
> with compound pagemap:
> 
> * with 2M pages we lose 4G instead of 16G (0.39% instead of 1.5% of total memory)
> * with 1G pages we lose 8MB instead of 16G (0.0007% instead of 1.5% of total memory)
> 

That's the dream :)

> Along the way I've extended it past 'struct page' overhead *trying* to address a
> few performance issues we knew about for pmem, specifically on the
> {pin,get}_user_pages* function family with device-dax vmas which are really
> slow even of the fast variants. THP is great on -fast variants but all except
> hugetlbfs perform rather poorly on non-fast gup.
> 
> So to summarize what the series does:
> 
> Patches 1-5: Much like Muchun series, we reuse tail page areas across a given
> page size (namely @align was referred by remaining memremap/dax code) and
> enabling of memremap to initialize the ZONE_DEVICE pages as compound pages or a
> given @align order. The main difference though, is that contrary to the hugetlbfs
> series, there's no vmemmap for the area, because we are onlining it.

Yeah, I'd argue that this case is a lot easier to handle. When the buddy
is involved, things get more complicated.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-09  9:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-08 17:28 [PATCH RFC 0/9] mm, sparse-vmemmap: Introduce compound pagemaps Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 1/9] memremap: add ZONE_DEVICE support for compound pages Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  5:59   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:59     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  6:33     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09  6:33       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09 13:12       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 13:12         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  1:43     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:43       ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:24       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:24         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 20:37         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 20:37           ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 15:46           ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 15:46             ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:50             ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 16:50               ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 17:18               ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 17:18                 ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 18:18                 ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 18:18                   ` Dan Williams
2021-03-10 18:12           ` Joao Martins
2021-03-10 18:12             ` Joao Martins
2021-03-12  5:54             ` Dan Williams
2021-03-12  5:54               ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:24   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:24     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:09     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:09       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 2/9] sparse-vmemmap: Consolidate arguments in vmemmap section populate Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  6:16   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  6:16     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09 13:51     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 13:51       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  1:49   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:49     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:26     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:26       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 3/9] sparse-vmemmap: Reuse vmemmap areas for a given mhp_params::align Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:38   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:38     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 3/9] sparse-vmemmap: Reuse vmemmap areas for a given page size Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  3:34   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  3:34     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:42     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:42       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 22:40       ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 22:40         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 15:46         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 15:46           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 4/9] mm/page_alloc: Reuse tail struct pages for compound pagemaps Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  6:17   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  6:17     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 12:01     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 12:01       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 5/9] device-dax: Compound pagemap support Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 6/9] mm/gup: Grab head page refcount once for group of subpages Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 11:05     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 11:05       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 15:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 16:02         ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 16:02           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 16:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 17:27             ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 17:27               ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 18:14             ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09 18:14               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09 19:08               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-10 15:43               ` Joao Martins
2020-12-10 15:43                 ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  4:40   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  4:40     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09 13:44     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 13:44       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 7/9] mm/gup: Decrement head page " Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:34   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09  5:06     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:06       ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09 13:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 12:17     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 12:17       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 19:05     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 19:05       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 20:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-17 22:34         ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 22:34           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-18 14:25           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-19  2:06         ` John Hubbard
2020-12-19  2:06           ` John Hubbard
2020-12-19 13:10           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-19 13:10             ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC 8/9] RDMA/umem: batch page unpin in __ib_mem_release() Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:29   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 10:59     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 10:59       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-19 13:15       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-19 13:15         ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  5:18   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:18     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-08 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC 9/9] mm: Add follow_devmap_page() for devdax vmas Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:29   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09  8:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-12-09  8:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-12-09 11:19     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 11:19       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  5:23   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:23     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  9:38 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-12-09  9:38   ` [PATCH RFC 0/9] mm, sparse-vmemmap: Introduce compound pagemaps David Hildenbrand
2020-12-09  9:52 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-12-09  9:52   ` Muchun Song
2021-02-20  1:18 ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:18   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:06   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:06     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 14:32     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 14:32       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:28   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:28     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:44     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 16:44       ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 17:15       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 17:15         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 18:15         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 18:15           ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 18:54       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-23 22:48         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 22:48           ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 23:07           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-24  0:14             ` Dan Williams
2021-02-24  0:14               ` Dan Williams
2021-02-24  1:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-24  1:32                 ` Dan Williams
2021-02-24  1:32                   ` Dan Williams

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