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From: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 11/14] x86: add support for Dynamic Kernel Stacks
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 15:17:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e180c07-53db-4acb-a75c-1a33447d81af@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240311164638.2015063-12-pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>



On Mon, Mar 11, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> Add dynamic_stack_fault() calls to the kernel faults, and also declare
> HAVE_ARCH_DYNAMIC_STACK = y, so that dynamic kernel stacks can be
> enabled on x86 architecture.
>
> Signed-off-by: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
> ---
>  arch/x86/Kconfig        | 1 +
>  arch/x86/kernel/traps.c | 3 +++
>  arch/x86/mm/fault.c     | 3 +++
>  3 files changed, 7 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/arch/x86/Kconfig b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> index 5edec175b9bf..9bb0da3110fa 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> @@ -197,6 +197,7 @@ config X86
>  	select HAVE_ARCH_USERFAULTFD_WP         if X86_64 && USERFAULTFD
>  	select HAVE_ARCH_USERFAULTFD_MINOR	if X86_64 && USERFAULTFD
>  	select HAVE_ARCH_VMAP_STACK		if X86_64
> +	select HAVE_ARCH_DYNAMIC_STACK		if X86_64
>  	select HAVE_ARCH_RANDOMIZE_KSTACK_OFFSET
>  	select HAVE_ARCH_WITHIN_STACK_FRAMES
>  	select HAVE_ASM_MODVERSIONS
> diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/traps.c b/arch/x86/kernel/traps.c
> index c3b2f863acf0..cc05401e729f 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/traps.c
> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/traps.c
> @@ -413,6 +413,9 @@ DEFINE_IDTENTRY_DF(exc_double_fault)
>  	}
>  #endif
> 
> +	if (dynamic_stack_fault(current, address))
> +		return;
> +

Sorry, but no, you can't necessarily do this.  I say this as the person who write this code, and I justified my code on the basis that we are not recovering -- we're jumping out to a different context, and we won't crash if the origin context for the fault is corrupt.  The SDM is really quite unambiguous about it: we're in an "abort" context, and returning is not allowed.  And I this may well be is the real deal -- the microcode does not promise to have the return frame and the actual faulting context matched up here, and there's is no architectural guarantee that returning will do the right thing.

Now we do have some history of getting a special exception, e.g. for espfix64.  But espfix64 is a very special case, and the situation you're looking at is very general.  So unless Intel and AMD are both wiling to publicly document that it's okay to handle stack overflow, where any instruction in the ISA may have caused the overflow, like this, then we're not going to do it.

There are some other options: you could pre-map 

Also, I think the whole memory allocation concept in this whole series is a bit odd.  Fundamentally, we *can't* block on these stack faults -- we may be in a context where blocking will deadlock.  We may be in the page allocator.  Panicing due to kernel stack allocation would be very unpleasant.  But perhaps we could have a rule that a task can only be scheduled in if there is sufficient memory available for its stack.  And perhaps we could avoid every page-faulting by filling in the PTEs for the potential stack pages but leaving them un-accessed.  I *think* that all x86 implementations won't fill the TLB for a non-accessed page without also setting the accessed bit, so the performance hit of filling the PTEs, running the task, and then doing the appropriate synchronization to clear the PTEs and read the accessed bit on schedule-out to release the pages may not be too bad.  But you would need to do this cautiously in the scheduler, possibly in the *next* task but before the prev task is actually released enough to be run on a different CPU.  It's going to be messy.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-11 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-11 16:46 [RFC 00/14] Dynamic Kernel Stacks Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 01/14] task_stack.h: remove obsolete __HAVE_ARCH_KSTACK_END check Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:36   ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:13     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 02/14] fork: Clean-up ifdef logic around stack allocation Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 03/14] fork: Clean-up naming of vm_strack/vm_struct variables in vmap stacks code Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:42   ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-19 16:32     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 04/14] fork: Remove assumption that vm_area->nr_pages equals to THREAD_SIZE Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:45   ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:14     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 05/14] fork: check charging success before zeroing stack Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 15:57   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-03-12 16:52     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 06/14] fork: zero vmap stack using clear_page() instead of memset() Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12  7:15   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-03-12 16:53     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14  7:55       ` Christophe Leroy
2024-03-14 13:52         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:48   ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:15     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 07/14] fork: use the first page in stack to store vm_stack in cached_stacks Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 08/14] fork: separate vmap stack alloction and free calls Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 15:18   ` Jeff Xie
2024-03-14 17:14     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:51   ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:15     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 09/14] mm/vmalloc: Add a get_vm_area_node() and vmap_pages_range_noflush() public functions Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 10/14] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stacks Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 19:32   ` Randy Dunlap
2024-03-11 19:55     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 11/14] x86: add support for " Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 22:17   ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2024-03-11 23:10     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 23:33       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-11 23:34       ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-12  0:08         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12  0:23           ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 23:34     ` Dave Hansen
2024-03-11 23:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-11 23:56         ` Nadav Amit
2024-03-12  0:02           ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-12  7:20             ` Nadav Amit
2024-03-12  0:53           ` Dave Hansen
2024-03-12  1:25             ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-12  2:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-12  2:20                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-12 21:58   ` Andi Kleen
2024-03-13 10:23   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-13 13:43     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-13 15:28       ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-13 16:12         ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-14 14:03           ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 18:26             ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 12/14] task_stack.h: Clean-up stack_not_used() implementation Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 13/14] task_stack.h: Add stack_not_used() support for dynamic stack Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 14/14] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stack accounting Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 17:09 ` [RFC 00/14] Dynamic Kernel Stacks Mateusz Guzik
2024-03-11 18:58   ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 19:21     ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-03-11 19:55       ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 17:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-12 19:45   ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 21:36     ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-14 19:05       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-14 19:23         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 19:28           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-14 19:34             ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 19:49               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-12 22:18     ` David Laight
2024-03-14 19:43   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-14 19:53     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-14 19:57       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-14 19:58         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-15  3:13         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-15  3:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-16 19:17             ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17  0:41               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-17  1:32                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-17 14:19                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:43               ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-17 16:15                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 21:30                   ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-18 14:59                     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 21:02                       ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-19 14:56                         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 18:57               ` David Laight
2024-03-18 15:09                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:13                   ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:19                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-18 15:30                     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:53                       ` David Laight
2024-03-18 16:57                         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:38               ` David Laight
2024-03-18 17:00                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 17:37                   ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-15  4:17           ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-17  0:47     ` H. Peter Anvin

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