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From: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: perfbook@vger.kernel.org, Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Some questions
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:39:09 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <428ce2d3-6d21-a97f-ce60-4b0635a7cbd6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160427232807.GL4967@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On 2016/04/27 16:28:07 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 08:01:31AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>> On 2016/04/27 15:50:22 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 07:15:05AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>>>> On 2016/04/27 09:53:57 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
[snip.
>>>>> Please see attached for what it looks like to me.
>>>>
>>>> Well, this is identical to the one I built.
>>>> So, do you intend to explicitly put numbers which show up fairly long time, and
>>>> leave other cells blank even below changes of values denoted by (n) in italics?
>>>
>>> The blank cells represent cache misses.  The CPU is waiting for a read
>>> to complete during that time.  A non-blank cell corresponds to a CPU
>>> actually completing a read.
>>
>> Oh, I see. But this should be explained in the text, I think.
> 
> Good point!  I also added several other possibilities, including
> interrupts and preemption.
> 

So, I have a few questions regarding to the added explanation of blank cells.

According to the text, trace data used to create the table are said to be 
obtained by a program that contains the code fragment shown in Figure 14.4.
The loop in the code fragment will exit once it sees state.variable != mycpu.
That means the actual program you used has an outer loop to record the
changes of state.valuable for each cpu in the system, I suppose.
Am I guessing right?

If I am, (n)'s in the table denoting modification of variables must be
entries in the trace data which were output from the outer loop, I think.

However, in the table, there are a number of cases where (n)'s are followed
by blanks just below itself. Does this mean fetched state.variables stay in
the cache very briefly, but are (almost immediately) invalidated by a cache
coherence mechanism? I can see interrupts and preemption would also cause the
trace output to be suspended for a while.

I'm not sure I have made out what the table means thus far, but am I seeing
something close enough to what you intend the table to represent?

                                                     Thanks, Akira


  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-28 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-27 15:21 Some questions Akira Yokosawa
     [not found] ` <20160427165357.GD4967@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2016-04-27 22:15   ` Akira Yokosawa
2016-04-27 22:50     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-27 23:01       ` Akira Yokosawa
2016-04-27 23:28         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-28 15:39           ` Akira Yokosawa [this message]
2016-04-28 16:28             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-28 23:05               ` Akira Yokosawa
2016-04-29 16:00                 ` Akira Yokosawa
2016-04-29 17:15                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-29 22:06                     ` Akira Yokosawa
2016-04-30  1:05                       ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found] <CAGEeD9YPvDhbt7KFvLOJ6W99UM_Jck6PFF6HV2h=B5u2gChggg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-10-04  6:58 ` Никита Горбунов
2017-10-05  6:09   ` Sitsofe Wheeler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-01-27 13:12 Артём Алексюк
2010-11-09 20:31 connecting ieee80211_hw and net_device Zoltan Herczeg
2010-11-10  0:26 ` Johannes Berg
2010-11-11 14:20   ` Zoltan Herczeg
2010-11-12 22:33     ` Zoltan Herczeg
2010-11-16 17:50       ` some questions Zoltan Herczeg
2010-03-08  5:08 Some questions Tiago Maluta
2008-08-22  7:31 some questions Thomas Pasch
2008-08-22  8:53 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-22 14:08   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-22  9:28 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-22 14:15   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-05-04 16:16 David Arendt
     [not found] ` <481DE17B.3080407-/LHdS3kC8BfYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-05 15:55   ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]     ` <20080506.005511.117028003.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-05 16:38       ` Ryusuke Konishi
2008-04-25  9:06 Some Questions James Scott
2008-04-26  7:48 ` Morten K. Poulsen
2008-04-27  9:47 ` James Scott
2003-08-19 15:53 Some questions Joerg Sommer
2003-03-05 12:18 Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 13:26 ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 14:06   ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 15:25     ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 15:37       ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 15:44         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-05 15:59           ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 16:06             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-05 16:34             ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 16:06         ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 16:17           ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 16:44             ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 17:01               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-05 19:25                 ` James Simmons
2003-03-05 19:27               ` James Simmons
2003-03-05 15:40       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-05 15:54         ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 19:31         ` James Simmons
2003-03-05 15:48       ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 19:43         ` James Simmons
2003-03-05 22:21           ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-06  0:18             ` James Simmons
2003-03-06  9:03               ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-06  1:18             ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06  1:18           ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06  8:49             ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-06  9:12               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-06  9:58                 ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06 10:14                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-06 10:30                     ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06  9:26               ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06  9:43                 ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-06 10:05                   ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06 10:31                     ` Sven Luther
2003-03-06 10:48                       ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06 10:51                         ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06 11:40                           ` Sven Luther
2003-03-06 13:25                             ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-06 15:25                             ` James Simmons
2003-03-06 15:27                       ` James Simmons
2003-03-07 12:08                         ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-07 12:21                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-07 18:19                             ` James Simmons
2003-03-07 14:01                           ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-07 15:19                             ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-07 16:19                               ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-07 17:00                                 ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-07 17:42                                   ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-07 18:31                               ` James Simmons
2003-03-07 17:49                                 ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-11 16:23                                   ` James Simmons
2003-03-07 20:12                               ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-07 20:51                                 ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-08  0:58                                   ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-08  5:40                                     ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-08 14:11                                       ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-08 14:20                                       ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-08 22:03                                         ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-09  3:47                                           ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-09  6:18                                             ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-07 18:30                             ` James Simmons
2003-03-11 16:07             ` James Simmons
2003-03-11 21:03               ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 19:16       ` James Simmons
2003-03-05 19:30         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-05 19:34           ` James Simmons
2003-03-05 22:13             ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 23:53               ` James Simmons
2003-03-06  8:33             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-06  9:00               ` Sven Luther
2003-03-06  9:03               ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-11 16:29                 ` James Simmons
2003-03-11 20:07                   ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-11 20:56                     ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-11 21:45                       ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-11 22:23                         ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-11 22:51                           ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-12  0:07                             ` Michel Dänzer
2003-03-12  1:02                               ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-12  1:29                                 ` Michel Dänzer
2003-03-12  8:24                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-12 15:56                                     ` Michel Dänzer
2003-03-11 22:27                         ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-11 22:51                           ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-11 23:12                             ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 14:12   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-05 14:18     ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 14:16   ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 15:25     ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 14:22   ` Thomas Winischhofer
2003-03-05 19:02   ` James Simmons
2003-03-06  1:18     ` Antonino Daplas
2003-03-05 18:57 ` James Simmons
2001-10-05 12:50 Justin R. Smith
2001-10-05 13:57 ` Stephen Smalley
2001-10-05 16:36   ` Paul Krumviede
1998-06-05 22:34 Alex deVries
1998-06-06  0:25 ` Ariel Faigon
1998-06-06  0:25   ` Ariel Faigon
1998-06-06  6:32   ` Peter Maydell
1998-06-06 15:36     ` Jeremy John Welling
1998-06-08  6:14     ` ralf
1998-06-09  0:17       ` Steve Rikli

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