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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>
Cc: kbusch@kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk, io-uring@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	asml.silence@gmail.com, joshiiitr@gmail.com,
	anuj20.g@samsung.com, gost.dev@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-next 4/4] nvme-multipath: add multipathing for uring-passthrough commands
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 23:13:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <436c8875-5a99-4328-80ac-6a5aef7f16f4@grimberg.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220712065250.GA6574@lst.de>


> Hmm, I'm a little confused on what this is trying to archive.
> 
> The io_uring passthrough already does support multipathing, it picks
> an available path in nvme_ns_head_chr_uring_cmd and uses that.
> 
> What this does is adding support for requeing on failure or the
> lack of an available path.  Which very strongly is against our
> passthrough philosophy both in SCSI and NVMe where error handling
> is left entirely to the userspace program issuing the I/O.
> 
> So this does radically change behavior in a very unexpected way.
> Why?

I think the difference from scsi-generic and controller nvme passthru is
that this is a mpath device node (or mpath chardev). This is why I think
that users would expect that it would have equivalent multipath
capabilities (i.e. failover).

In general, I think that uring passthru as an alternative I/O interface
and as such needs to be able to failover. If this is not expected from
the interface, then why are we exposing a chardev for the mpath device
node? why not only the bottom namespaces?

I can't really imagine a user that would use uring passthru and
when it gets an error completion, would then try to reconcile if there
is an available path (from sysfs?), and submitting it again in hope that
an available path is selected by the driver (without really being able
to control any of this)...

Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like an awkward interface to operate on a
multipath device node, but implement failover yourself, based on some
information that is not necessarily in-sync with the driver.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-07-12 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20220711110753epcas5p4169b9e288d15ca35740dbb66a6f6983a@epcas5p4.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01 ` [PATCH for-next 0/4] nvme-multipathing for uring-passthrough Kanchan Joshi
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110800epcas5p3d338dd486fd778c5ba5bfe93a91ec8bd@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 1/4] io_uring, nvme: rename a function Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-14 13:55       ` Ming Lei
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110812epcas5p33aa90b23aa62fb11722aa8195754becf@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 2/4] nvme: compact nvme_uring_cmd_pdu struct Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12  6:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110824epcas5p22c8e945cb8c3c3ac46c8c2b5ab55db9b@epcas5p2.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 3/4] io_uring: grow a field in struct io_uring_cmd Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 17:00       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 17:19         ` Jens Axboe
2022-07-11 17:18       ` Jens Axboe
2022-07-11 17:55         ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 18:22           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 18:24             ` Jens Axboe
2022-07-11 18:58               ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-12 11:40               ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-14  3:40             ` Ming Lei
2022-07-14  8:19               ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-14 15:30                 ` Daniel Wagner
2022-07-15 11:07                   ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-18  9:03                     ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220711110827epcas5p3fd81f142f55ca3048abc38a9ef0d0089@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2022-07-11 11:01     ` [PATCH for-next 4/4] nvme-multipath: add multipathing for uring-passthrough commands Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 13:51       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 15:12         ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-07-11 16:58           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-11 18:54           ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 18:37         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-11 19:56           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-12  4:23             ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12 21:26               ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13  5:37                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-13  9:03                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 11:28                     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-13 12:17                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-14 15:14                   ` Ming Lei
2022-07-14 23:05                     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-15  1:35                       ` Ming Lei
2022-07-15  1:46                         ` Ming Lei
2022-07-15  4:24                           ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12  6:52       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-12 11:33         ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-07-12 20:13         ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2022-07-13  5:36           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-13  8:04             ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 10:12               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-13 11:00                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 11:28                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-13 12:16                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 11:49                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13 12:43                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 13:30                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13 13:41                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-07-13 14:07                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13 15:59                             ` Sagi Grimberg

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