From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751198AbWBCIJE (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:09:04 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751220AbWBCIJE (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:09:04 -0500 Received: from embla.aitel.hist.no ([158.38.50.22]:28348 "HELO embla.aitel.hist.no") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1751198AbWBCIJB (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:09:01 -0500 Message-ID: <43E310D5.8080607@aitel.hist.no> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:14:13 +0100 From: Helge Hafting User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Ossman CC: Linus Torvalds , Alan Cox , Karim Yaghmour , Filip Brcic , Glauber de Oliveira Costa , Thomas Horsten , linux-kernel Subject: Re: GPL V3 and Linux - Dead Copyright Holders References: <43DE57C4.5010707@opersys.com> <5d6222a80601301143q3b527effq526482837e04ee5a@mail.gmail.com> <200601302301.04582.brcha@users.sourceforge.net> <43E0E282.1000908@opersys.com> <43E1C55A.7090801@drzeus.cx> <1138891081.9861.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43E23C79.8050606@drzeus.cx> <43E24767.1090708@drzeus.cx> <43E25B92.8060602@drzeus.cx> In-Reply-To: <43E25B92.8060602@drzeus.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Pierre Ossman wrote: >This whole DRM:d hardware issue is a bit different though since it seems >to be moving to a point where it cannot be avoided. "Vote with your >wallet" fails when there are so few of us that care about these things. > > I do not share this fear. Well, off-the-shelf complete pc's might end up like that, demanding a signed OS and so on if we take a very pessimistic view on the future. But "vote with your wallet" still works. There is a huge parts market . You can buy hundreds of brands of motherboards, processors and add-on cards. Strict DRM will never fly in this market! What if _one_ manufacturer comes out with a new improved motherboard that only will boot and run a signed version of windows? No sales! The guy who build is own computer won't take that sort of thing, he'll find another manufacturer. Remember the outrage when Intel implemented cpuID? They were forced to make that optional. And if one country encourages DRM hw, then other countries will ramp up non-DRM hw production as the demand rises. I think the worst that could possibly happen is that cheap complete pc's found at supermarkets might have some DRM hw in them. Stuff that we might need a few 30-hour debugging sessions to circumvent. And so we will be forced to assemble our pc's from parts - the way we usually do anyway for other reasons. Helge Hafting