From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750721AbWAYBVM (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:21:12 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750726AbWAYBVM (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:21:12 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]:52631 "EHLO wproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750834AbWAYBVK convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:21:10 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NRqDS81zgBTXcl8lXhTD/WTJw/SvbX66MTHWelA5wenvCYN3sw33US2Ng9I9My6TQwb+0NVj24kpD3abcWo7nfI5f8g/RgOFBBcm72ilNDL9bf1gdEElOtocCwEPuCoRtnY0qAUk0zqW/9oCaNx1gb4SBrqsC/euhTFbC44XD3k= Message-ID: <441e43c90601241721o8b4a9e5rd3a237f70aa46dbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:21:07 -0600 From: Ian Kester-Haney To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: GPL V3 and Linux In-Reply-To: <43D65211.20006@wolfmountaingroup.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline References: <43D65211.20006@wolfmountaingroup.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Allowing for the playing of DRM protected content is accepted. While it is sad to see big business rule the day, it is still copyrighted works we are talking about. GPL v3 says that the use of DRM in or around the GPLv3 software would be a direct violation and therfore illegal under the GPL liscense. Respecting the limits setup by the DRM or ACS would be a proactive step in making linux more corporate friendly. Should the individuals producing, directing and starring in movies and music be penalized for the abuses of the recording industry. Piracy does exist and supporting the real creative works of others is important. According to the Managed Copy Protection in upcoming HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs, if the channel between digital display devices is not authenticated as direct to display, the resolution would be cut to prevent electronic copies from being easily made. I seruiosly doubt that anyone commited to the Open Source community would condone piracy, just as I am sure that Protection schemes always break down in the end. It is sometimes irresponsible to circumvent methods designed to protect peoples copyright. The viral liscensing in the GPL v 2 allows for the best integration with 3rd party applications. The GPLv3 would not allow any copyrighted materials under DRM to be viewed, one could even argue that protected PDF files might constitute DRM and not be allowed under the new GPL. I think that subverting the efforts of companies and artists to protect their works is unnaceptable. Public crap about hacking iTunes to get unprotected files is detrimental to the Open Source Community. It should be noted that DRM is not inherently bad, implementations are currently pretty crappy, but surely an open source DRM could be presented, and a step to make that happen would be to keep the Kernel under GPLv2. On 1/24/06, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: > > >On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, David Schwartz wrote: > > > > > > > >>>Sometimes the restrictions are necessary. For instance, > >>>except in very special circumstances, governments usually > >>>take away the inherent rights to kill, etc. > >>> > >>> > >> I guess I can't figure out what you could possibly mean by the word "right" > >>such that the phrase "inherent rights to kill" is meaningful. Perhaps you > >>could clarify. > >> > >> DS > >> > >> > > > >Simple, from Government 101. Suppose you start a new country unencumbered > >with rules and laws. You have "total" freedom, therefore all rights. > >Because you believe that everybody is "good" (you decide what that means) > >and would, therefore, never do anything "bad", you don't need any > >laws. > > > >Sooner or later somebody does something "bad" (like kills somebody). > >So, you make a law against killing. As you make that first law, you > >have restricted rights. That's what laws do, they restrict rights. > > > > > > Say rather than restrict rights they define where your rights end and > the rights > of another person begin. Rather they "balance" rights by drawing a line > between > the rights of individuals and the rights of the state. The complex case > is something > called a "compelling interest". i.e. The government has a compelling > interest to > protect citizens from killing each other. > > >Unfortunately, it never stops with the "obviously necessary" > >laws. Eventually, every time somebody believes he or she has been > >harmed somehow, the cry goes out; "There ought to be a law....". > >Some goody-twoshoes in the government makes a new law. Eventually, > >there are so many laws that there is no freedom whatsoever. > > > > > > > There are so many laws, you need to have courts in order to perform > "balancing tests" between the rights of individuals (courts of equity) > and the rights of the governement (compelling interests vs. the rights > of Individuals) > > >Most laws, designed to protect, have far-reaching consequences that > >actually cause more problems than they are supposed to solve. That's > >the nature of Law and Government in general. That's why it's important > >to control (reduce) the number of laws that exist and control the > >size of government. Of course, once the government controls the schools > >all is lost. > > > > > > > Why Dick, we have something in common -- we are both libertarians (political > party that believes less laws and governemtn control is a very good thing). > > Jeff > > >Cheers, > >Dick Johnson > >Penguin : Linux version 2.6.13.4 on an i686 machine (5589.54 BogoMips). > >Warning : 98.36% of all statistics are fiction. > >. > > > >**************************************************************** > >The information transmitted in this message is confidential and may be privileged. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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