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From: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
To: Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
Cc: nfs@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [NFS] Re: [PATCH][RFC] NFS: Improving the access cache
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:38:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44576EE4.4010704@RedHat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <445763CF.5040506@redhat.com>

Peter Staubach wrote:
>> Basically we would maintain one global hlist (i.e. link list) that
>> would contain all of the cached entries; then each nfs_inode would
>> have its own LRU hlist that would contain entries that are associated
>> with that nfs_inode. So each entry would be on two lists, the
>> global hlist and hlist in the nfs_inode.
>>
> 
> How are these lists used?
The inode hlist will be used to search and purge...

> 
> I would suggest that a global set of hash queues would work better than
> a linked list and that these hash queues by used to find the cache entry
> for any particular user.  Finding the entry for a particular (user,inode)
> needs to be fast and linearly searching a linked list is slow.  Linear
> searching needs to be avoided.  Comparing the fewest number of entries
> possible will result in the best performance because the comparisons
> need to take into account the entire user identification, including
> the groups list.
I guess we could have the VFS  shrinker to purge a hash table just
as well as a link list... although a hash table will have an
small memory cost...

> The list in the inode seems useful, but only for purges.  Searching via
> this list will be very slow once the list grows beyond a few entries.
> Purging needs to be fast because purging the access cache entries for a
> particular file will need to happen whenever the ctime on the file changes.
> This list can be used to make it easy to find the correct entries in the
> global access cache.
Seems reasonable assuming we use a hash table...

> 
>> We would govern memory consumption by only allowing 30 entries
>> on any one hlist in the nfs_inode and by registering the globe
>> hlist with the VFS shrinker which will cause the list to be prune
>> when memory is needed. So this means, when the 31st entry was added
>> to the hlist in the nfs_inode, the least recently used entry would
>> be removed.
>>
> 
> Why is there a limit at all and why is 30 the right number?  This
> seems small and rather arbitrary.  If there is some way to trigger
> memory reclaiming, then letting the list grow as appropriate seems
> like a good thing to do.
Well the vfs mechanism will be the trigger... so your saying we
should just let the purge hlist lists in the nfs_inode grow
untethered? How about read-only filesystems where the ctime
will not change... I would think we might want some type of
high water mark for that case, true?

> 
> Making sure that you are one of the original 30 users accessing the
> file in order to get reasonable performance seems tricky to me.  :-)
> 
>> Locking might be a bit tricky, but do able... To make this scalable,
>> I would think we would need global read/write spin_lock. The read_lock()
>> would be taken when the hlist in the inode was searched and the
>> write_lock() would taken when the hlist in the inode was changed
>> and when the global list was prune.
>>
> 
> Sorry, read/write spin lock?  I thought that spin locks were exclusive,
> either the lock was held or the process spins waiting to acquire it.
See the rwlock_t lock type in asm/spinlock.h.. That's the one
I was planning on using...


steved.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-02 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-26  1:14 [PATCH][RFC] NFS: Improving the access cache Steve Dickson
2006-04-26  1:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-04-26  4:55 ` Neil Brown
2006-04-26 14:51   ` Steve Dickson
2006-04-26 22:32     ` Neil Brown
2006-05-02  9:49       ` Steve Dickson
2006-05-02 13:51         ` [NFS] " Peter Staubach
2006-05-02 14:38           ` Steve Dickson [this message]
2006-05-02 14:51             ` Peter Staubach
2006-05-02 15:26               ` [NFS] " Ian Kent
2006-05-03  4:42         ` Chuck Lever
2006-05-05 14:07           ` Steve Dickson
2006-05-05 14:53             ` Peter Staubach
2006-05-05 14:59               ` Peter Staubach
2006-05-06 14:35               ` [NFS] " Steve Dickson
2006-05-08 14:07                 ` Peter Staubach
2006-05-08 17:09                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-05-08 17:20                     ` Peter Staubach
2006-05-08 17:37                     ` Steve Dickson
2006-05-08  2:44           ` [NFS] " Neil Brown
2006-05-08  3:23             ` Chuck Lever
2006-05-08  3:28               ` Neil Brown
2006-04-26 13:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-04-26 13:03   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-04-26 13:14   ` Peter Staubach
2006-04-26 13:14     ` Peter Staubach
2006-04-26 14:01     ` Trond Myklebust
2006-04-26 14:01       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-04-26 14:15       ` Peter Staubach
2006-04-26 14:15         ` Peter Staubach
2006-04-26 15:44         ` Trond Myklebust
2006-04-26 17:01           ` Peter Staubach
2006-04-26 15:03   ` Steve Dickson
2006-04-26 15:03     ` Steve Dickson
2006-04-26 13:17 ` [NFS] " Chuck Lever
2006-04-26 14:19   ` Steve Dickson

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