From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750780AbWGVOaM (ORCPT ); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:30:12 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750779AbWGVOaL (ORCPT ); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:30:11 -0400 Received: from sandeen.net ([209.173.210.139]:58456 "EHLO sandeen.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750776AbWGVOaK (ORCPT ); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44C23671.2030908@sandeen.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:30:09 -0500 From: Eric Sandeen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theodore Tso , Hans Reiser , LKML Subject: Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion References: <44C12F0A.1010008@namesys.com> <20060722130219.GB7321@thunk.org> In-Reply-To: <20060722130219.GB7321@thunk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Theodore Tso wrote: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 01:46:18PM -0600, Hans Reiser wrote: >> Consider what happened with XFS as the article writer mentions. I met >> the original XFS team, led by two very senior developers (Jim Grey, and >> another fellow whose name I am blanking on, forgive me, I learned much >> from him in just a few conversations). > > I believe you are referring to Jim Mostek and Steve Lord, and yes, > they were very talented developers and engineers. I very much enjoyed > talking to them at various filesystem and Linux conferences and > workshops. > >> supervision. What happened? They got hassled. Instead of learning >> from them, welcoming into our community two very senior developers who >> knew a lot more than any of us about the topics they chose to speak >> about, they got hassled, they get ignored, they felt rejected, and left >> the Linux community forever, never to return. > > That's hardly what happened. SGI went through layoffs, and they were > hit. See: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/26/0743254.shtml Jim & Steve were never laid off from SGI. SGI mgmt -was- smarter than that ;) Neither account above is 100% correct, but I won't speak further on behalf of these gentlemen... -Eric