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From: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: rohitseth@google.com, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>,
	devel@openvz.org, hugh@veritas.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting	(core)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:31:28 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44E588F0.40502@sw.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1155825493.9274.42.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 17:27 +0400, Kirill Korotaev wrote:
> 
>>charged kernel objects can't be _reclaimed_. how do you propose
>>to reclaim tasks page tables or files or task struct or vma or etc.?
> 
> 
> Do you have any statistics on which of these objects are the most
> troublesome?  If it _is_ pagetables, for instance, it is quite
> conceivable that we could reclaim them.
they all are troublesome :/
user can create lots of vmas, w/o page tables.
lots of fdsets, ipcids.
These are not reclaimable.

Also consider the following scenario with reclaimable page tables.
e.g. user hit kmemsize limit due to fat page tables.
kernel reclaims some of the page tables and frees user kenerl memory.
after that user creates some uncreclaimable objects like fdsets or ipcs
and then accesses memory with reclaimed page tables.
Sooner or later we kill user with SIGSEGV from page fault due to
no memory. This is worse then returning ENOMEM from poll() or
mmap() where user allocates kernel objects.

> This one probably deserves a big, fat comment, though. ;)
tell me where to write it and what? :)

Thanks,
Kirill



  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-18  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 209+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-16 15:24 [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 15:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] UBC: kconfig Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 19:57   ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 21:14   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-25 15:12   ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-16 15:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:58   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 11:42     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 17:15   ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 11:45     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 12:14       ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 14:32       ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 12:36         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 18:11   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 18:18     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-17 11:54       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 11:53     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:55       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18 11:14         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 17:51           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  5:31       ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18  7:35         ` [PATCH " Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-18  8:26           ` [ckrm-tech] " Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:52             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 15:59         ` [RFC][PATCH " Alan Cox
2006-08-17 11:09   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 14:02     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 18:59       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18  1:58   ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:36     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-19  2:38       ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-21 11:02         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22 12:23           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-22 12:46             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22 14:38               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-21 17:35         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-20  4:58   ` Balbir Singh
2006-08-20  5:01   ` Balbir Singh
2006-08-16 15:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:51   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 11:09   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 13:21     ` [Devel] " Pavel V. Emelianov
2006-08-18  2:42   ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18  9:23     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-19  2:19       ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 20:03   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 10:32     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 20:48       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-16 15:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:52   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-16 17:17   ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 12:02     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 18:17   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 19:04     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-16 19:22       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 12:13         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 15:40           ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18  8:08             ` [PATCH " Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-18 14:45               ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 16:42                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 17:29                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 17:38                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 17:59                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18 18:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-21  2:42                     ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-18 18:09                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-18 18:17                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 18:27                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 18:56                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-18 19:16                       ` Chris Friesen
2006-08-18 21:19                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-18 19:48                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 21:16                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-21  2:38                   ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-21  7:48                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-21  8:42                       ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-21  9:03                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-21  9:18                           ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-21 13:35                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 17:51                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-22  8:52                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21  2:47                 ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-22  1:16                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22  3:58                     ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-22 18:34                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24  1:20                       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18 11:05             ` [RFC][PATCH " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:08           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 12:04     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:05       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 11:09   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 14:04     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:19       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-18  2:31   ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:45     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-19  2:43       ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:40   ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-08-18 20:13   ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-16 15:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:56   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 13:47     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 18:24   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 13:27     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 14:38       ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  9:31         ` Kirill Korotaev [this message]
2006-08-18 14:58           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-21 10:40             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 15:10               ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 15:06           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-21 12:38             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:02       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  9:38         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 16:55           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-21 10:43             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22  1:23               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 18:47   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-16 19:15     ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 19:59       ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-17  0:24         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 14:26           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-17 15:01             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 16:04               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-18 10:54                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:37               ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-17 15:19             ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-17 17:28               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 18:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-17 17:49                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  8:29               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 17:06                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 17:16             ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 17:23               ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-17 17:36                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 17:53                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  8:54                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 14:52                     ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 17:38                     ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-21 11:29                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22  1:48                         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22  7:43                           ` Pavel V. Emelianov
2006-08-18  8:51               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18  8:52               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 14:59                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-18 19:32                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 20:52                     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-21  9:44                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:42           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 16:31         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17  0:22       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 16:36         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  8:44           ` [ckrm-tech] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 13:35       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:13         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  8:49           ` [ckrm-tech] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 13:31     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 14:36       ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  8:12         ` [ckrm-tech] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 14:43           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-21  8:57             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 20:26   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 10:51     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 20:55       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-16 15:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] UBC: kernel memory acconting (mark objects) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:57   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-16 15:44 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] UBC: proc interface Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 17:13   ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 13:43     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 15:40       ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 16:12         ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-08-16 18:53 ` [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 19:26   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17  0:15 ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-17 11:02 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 13:55   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 19:55     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 10:36       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 18:53         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 22:55           ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-21 10:55           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 21:04             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 19:39 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 13:24   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 21:45     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 22:20       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-21 22:44         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-22  1:45       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22 10:02         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-22  9:57           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-22 11:15             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24  1:31           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22 18:55         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24  1:44           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-24  2:04             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24 11:10               ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 23:48                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24 23:55                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-08-25 18:21                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 20:46                       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 21:37                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 22:51                           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 22:59                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24 17:27               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-24 23:52                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 11:12                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-25 18:47                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 20:52                       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 22:23                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 23:12                           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 23:00                             ` Chandra Seetharaman

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