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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86 idle: repair large-server 50-watt idle-power regression
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:05:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44cc7c3a-7114-4f37-a844-77e552dbc7aa@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131219181812.GC32508@gmail.com>

CLFLUSH is only (guaranteed to be) ordered with respect to MFENCE according to the SDM.

Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
>
>* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 06:25:35PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 06:07:41PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> > > Likewise, having a barrier before the MONITOR looks sensible as
>well. 
>> > 
>> > I again have to disagree, one would expect monitor to flush all
>that is
>> > required to start the monitor -- and it actually does so. As is
>> > testified by this extra CLFLUSH being called a bug workaround.
>> 
>> SDM states that MONITOR is ordered like a LOAD, and a LOAD cannot 
>> pass a previous STORE to the same address.
>
>Yes ... but you could argue that CLFLUSH is neither a load nor a 
>store, it's a _cache sync_ operation, with its special ordering 
>properties.
>
>> That said; there's enough holes in there to swim a titanic through, 
>> seeing how MONITOR stares at an entire cacheline and LOAD/STORE 
>> order is specified on location, whatever that means.
>
>I think assuming that MONITOR is ordered as a load or better is a 
>pretty safe one (and in fact the Intel documentation seems to say so) 
>- I'd say MONITOR is in micro-code and essentially snoops on cache 
>events on that specific cache line, and loads the cache line on a 
>snoop hit?
>
>Btw., what state is the cache line after a MONITOR instruction, is it 
>loaded as shared, or as excusive? (exclusive would probably be better 
>for performance.)
>
>Thanks,
>
>	Ingo

-- 
Sent from my mobile phone.  Please pardon brevity and lack of formatting.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-19 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-07  8:00 50 Watt idle power regression bisected to Linux-3.10 Len Brown
2013-12-07  8:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-07 16:01   ` Len Brown
2013-12-07 16:45     ` Len Brown
2013-12-07 19:17       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-10 11:41         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-07 12:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-08  4:57 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-08 20:40   ` Len Brown
2013-12-09  3:16     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-10  5:17       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-10 11:45         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-10 14:29         ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-10 15:06           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11  2:05           ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-11  3:21             ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-11 11:28               ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-11 11:38                 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-11 11:52                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 12:29                     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-11 12:43                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 13:10                         ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-11 13:40                         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-11 14:56                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 16:02                             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-11 16:43                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 17:50                               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 23:08                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-11 23:14                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-12  0:52                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12  4:25                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12  4:49                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12  4:59                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12  5:37                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12  5:45                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12  5:57                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12  6:05                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-12-12  7:57                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12  8:51                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-12 13:28                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-12 15:06                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-12 15:51                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 14:42                         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 15:02                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-11 15:09                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 16:44                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 17:48                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 16:44                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-11 17:47                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11 21:43                     ` Len Brown
2013-12-11 22:22                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-12-18 21:44 ` [PATCH] x86 idle: repair large-server 50-watt idle-power regression Len Brown
2013-12-18 21:44   ` Len Brown
2013-12-19 12:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 14:40     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 15:45       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-12-19 15:55     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 16:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 16:09         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 16:13         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 16:21           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 16:50             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 17:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 17:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 17:36                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 18:05                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 17:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 18:18                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 21:05                       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-12-19 21:17                         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 18:10                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 18:09                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                       ` <CA+55aFzGxcML7j8CEvQPYzh0W81uVoAAVmGctMOUZ7CZ1yYd2A@mail.gmail.com>
2013-12-19 18:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 18:43                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 20:09                         ` [tip:x86/idle] x86, idle: Use static_cpu_has() for CLFLUSH workaround, add barriers tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 20:40                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 20:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-12-19 21:14                               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 21:25                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-12-19 21:55                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-20  8:47                               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 20:33                         ` [tip:x86/idle] x86, idle: Add memory barriers around clflush in mwait_play_dead() tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 18:19                   ` [PATCH] x86 idle: repair large-server 50-watt idle-power regression Ingo Molnar
2013-12-19 19:22                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-19 19:27                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-12-19 19:51   ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86 idle: Repair " tip-bot for Len Brown
2014-03-18  0:20     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-03-18  9:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-19  2:14         ` Jason Low
2014-03-19  6:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-08 21:43       ` Brown, Len
2014-04-09  8:18         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-15  3:27         ` Davidlohr Bueso

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