From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751960AbXAaAQm (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:16:42 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752064AbXAaAQm (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:16:42 -0500 Received: from srv5.dvmed.net ([207.36.208.214]:51933 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751960AbXAaAQm (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:16:42 -0500 Message-ID: <45BFDFE7.3000101@garzik.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:16:39 -0500 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061219) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Dreier CC: Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development! References: <20070130012904.GA9617@kroah.com> <20070130191020.GF20642@kroah.com> <20070130195445.GE22022@kroah.com> <45BFC7F2.7090209@garzik.org> <45BFD03F.4020003@garzik.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin version 3.1.7 on srv5.dvmed.net summary: Content analysis details: (-4.3 points, 5.0 required) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Roland Dreier wrote: > To me, it's clear that historically the community hasn't delivered on How is that clear? As noted in the specific examples I provided, that is how a large number of popular drivers and subsystems have been developed. > this. So I don't like promising something that we haven't been able > to follow through on in the past. If a vendor takes Greg's offer, and It's a good thing we've delivered on this, throughout Linux's history, then. > then the community, for whatever reason, fails to deliver on > everything, then that makes us all (including me!) look bad just > because of Greg's hyperbolic promises. The only difference between Greg's offer and offers made by other developers to vendors is that his was public on LKML, and the subject line concluded with an exclamation point. I tell hardware vendors the same thing all the time -- just get the specs to me or another capable developer, and we'll work with you to get Linux support going. So far, we have ATA, USB, ethernet, audio, and several other positive examples of this working in the real world. And your counter-examples? Ancient ISA drivers. Jeff