From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750782AbXBKScP (ORCPT ); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:32:15 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750783AbXBKScP (ORCPT ); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:32:15 -0500 Received: from shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net ([24.71.223.10]:63376 "EHLO pd2mo1so.prod.shaw.ca" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750782AbXBKScO (ORCPT ); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:32:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:31:14 -0600 From: Robert Hancock Subject: Re: NAK new drivers without proper power management? In-reply-to: To: Willy Tarreau , linux-kernel Cc: Nigel Cunningham Message-id: <45CF60F2.5020308@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Willy Tarreau wrote: > Nigel, don't take it as a personal offense, but I think it is a very > centric view of Linux usages. Where I work, Linux is used a lot on > servers and appliances. It is used for mail relays, HTTP proxies, > anti-viruses, firewalls, routers, load balancers, UTM, SSH relays, > etc... Nobody would ever want to enable power management on those > machines, let alone suspend which would cause a major havoc, would > the system decide to enter suspend for any reason. > > Many people also have Linux on their notebooks, but as a dual-boot. You > read the word ? "dual-boot". It means that they cleanly shutdown their > system every time they don't use it anymore, and they won't know what > OS they'll use next time. > > I've never heard anyone there complaining "oh, I'm fed up with this > boring boot, I always have to wait 30 seconds when I need to do > something, I wish I could suspend and resume". It is considered the > normal way of using their PCs. I think your experience is rather different than that of Joe Average User who doesn't frequent kernel lists, and also I think you'll find that for a lot of Linux laptop users that don't use supend, the reason is that it doesn't work reliably, quite often due to driver issues. -- Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada To email, remove "nospam" from hancockr@nospamshaw.ca Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/