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From: Douglas Gilbert <dougg@torque.net>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Alan <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Moore, Eric" <Eric.Moore@lsi.com>,
	ric@emc.com, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
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	Linux-ide <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"Clark, Nathan" <Clark_Nathan@emc.com>,
	"Singh, Arvinder" <Singh_Arvinder@emc.com>,
	"De Smet, Jochen" <DeSmet_Jochen@emc.com>,
	"Farmer, Matt" <Farmer_Matt@emc.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, "Mizar,
	Sunita" <Mizar_Sunita@emc.com>
Subject: Re: end to end error recovery musings
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:46:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45E587C2.5010209@torque.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1mz2z6wov.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>

Martin K. Petersen wrote:
>>>>>> "Alan" == Alan  <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes:
> 
>>> Not sure you're up-to-date on the T10 data integrity feature.
>>> Essentially it's an extension of the 520 byte sectors common in
>>> disk
> 
> [...]
> 
> Alan> but here's a minor bit of passing bad news - quite a few older
> Alan> ATA controllers can't issue DMA transfers that are not a
> Alan> multiple of 512 bytes without crapping themselves (eg
> Alan> READ_LONG). Guess we may need to add
> Alan> ap-> i_do_not_suck or similar 8)
> 
> I'm afraid it stops even before you get that far.  There doesn't seem
> to be any interest in adopting the Data Integrity Feature (or anything
> similar) in the ATA camp.  So for now it's a SCSI-only thing.
> 
> I encourage people to lean on their favorite disk manufacturer.  This
> would be a great feature to have on SATA too...

Martin,
SCSI to ATA Translation (SAT) is now a standard
(ANSI INCITS 431-2007) [and libata is somewhat
short of compliance].

Work on SAT-2 is now underway and one of the agenda
items is "end to end data protection" and is in the
hands of the t13 ATA8-ACS technical editor. So it
looks like data integrity is on the radar in the SATA
world.

See http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/document.06/06-497r4.pdf
for more evidence of how SAS and SATA are converging
at the command and feature set level.

Doug Gilbert



  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-28 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-27  1:10 end to end error recovery musings Moore, Eric
2007-02-27  1:10 ` Moore, Eric
2007-02-27 16:50 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 16:50   ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 18:51   ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-27 19:02   ` Alan
2007-02-27 19:02     ` Alan
2007-02-27 18:39     ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-27 19:07     ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 19:07       ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 23:39       ` Alan
2007-02-27 23:39         ` Alan
2007-02-27 22:51         ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-27 22:51           ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 13:46           ` Douglas Gilbert [this message]
2007-02-28 17:16             ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:30               ` James Bottomley
2007-02-28 17:42                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-02-28 17:52                   ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01  1:28                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-03-01 14:25                       ` James Bottomley
2007-03-01 17:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-28 15:19       ` Moore, Eric
2007-02-28 15:19         ` Moore, Eric
2007-02-28 17:27         ` Martin K. Petersen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-02-23 14:15 Ric Wheeler
2007-02-23 14:15 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-24  0:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24  0:37   ` Andreas Dilger
2007-02-24  2:05     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-24  2:32     ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-24 18:39       ` Chris Wedgwood
2007-02-26  5:33       ` Neil Brown
2007-02-26 13:25         ` Theodore Tso
2007-02-26 15:15           ` Alan
2007-02-26 15:18             ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-26 17:01               ` Alan
2007-02-26 16:42                 ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-26 15:17           ` James Bottomley
2007-02-26 18:59           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-26 22:46           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-26 22:53             ` Ric Wheeler
2007-02-27  1:19               ` Alan
2007-02-26  6:01   ` Douglas Gilbert

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