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From: Ethan Solomita <solo@google.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>,
	containers@lists.osdl.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>, Pavel Emelianov <xemul@sw.ru>,
	Dave Hansen <hansendc@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/7] RSS accounting hooks over the code
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:15:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <460ACCD8.2030006@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F67C2D.7020303@yahoo.com.au>

Nick Piggin wrote:
> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> First touch page ownership does not guarantee give me anything useful
>> for knowing if I can run my application or not.  Because of page
>> sharing my application might run inside the rss limit only because
>> I got lucky and happened to share a lot of pages with another running
>> application.  If the next I run and it isn't running my application
>> will fail.  That is ridiculous.
>
> Let's be practical here, what you're asking is basically impossible.
>
> Unless by deterministic you mean that it never enters the a non
> trivial syscall, in which case, you just want to know about maximum
> RSS of the process, which we already account).

    If we used Beancounters as Pavel and Kirill mentioned, that would 
keep track of each container that has referenced a page, not just the 
first container. It sounds like beancounters can return a usage count 
where each page is divided by the number of referencing containers (e.g. 
1/3rd if 3 containers share a page). Presumably it could also return a 
full count of 1 to each container.

    If we look at data in the latter form, i.e. each container must pay 
fully for each page used, then Eric could use that to determine real 
usage needs of the container. However we could also use the fractional 
count in order to do things such as charging the container for its 
actual usage. i.e. full count for setting guarantees, fractional for 
actual usage.
    -- Ethan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-28 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-06 14:42 [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Resource controllers based on process containers Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-06 14:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] Resource counters Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-07  4:03   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-07  7:19     ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-09 16:37       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11  9:01         ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-11 19:00         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12  1:16           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  9:09             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-13  9:27               ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-13  9:49               ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-13 15:21               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13 15:41                 ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-13 16:07                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-14  7:12                     ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-15 16:51                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-13 16:32                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-06 14:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] RSS controller core Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-06 22:00   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-09 16:48     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11  9:08       ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-11 14:32         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 15:04           ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-12  0:41             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-12  8:31               ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-12  9:55       ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-12 23:43         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  1:57           ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-13  2:24             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-13 16:06             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 12:26     ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-11 12:51       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-11 15:51         ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-11 19:34         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12  9:23           ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-13  9:26             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-13 15:43               ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12  1:00         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-12  9:02           ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-12 21:11             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  7:17               ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-13 15:05                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13 15:32                   ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-13 15:10               ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-13 15:11                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13 15:54                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12 18:42           ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-12 22:41             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-12 23:02               ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-18 16:58                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-13  6:04               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-13 10:19                 ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-13 11:48                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-13 14:59                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13 17:05                     ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-14 15:38                       ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-14 20:42                         ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-20 18:57                           ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-18 22:44                       ` [Devel] " Paul Menage
2007-03-19 17:41                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-13 17:26                 ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-13 19:09                   ` Alan Cox
2007-03-13 20:28                     ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-16  0:55                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-16 16:31                       ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-16 18:54                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-16 19:46                           ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-18 17:42                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-19 15:48                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-20 16:15                               ` controlling mmap()'d vs read/write() pages Dave Hansen
2007-03-20 21:19                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-23  0:51                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-23  5:57                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-23 10:12                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-23 10:47                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-23 12:21                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-28  7:33                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-23 16:41                                       ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-23 18:16                                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-28  9:18                                           ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-14 16:47                   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] RSS controller core Mel Gorman
2007-03-07  5:37   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-07  7:27     ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-06 14:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] Data structures changes for RSS accounting Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-11 19:13   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12 16:16     ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12 16:48       ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-12 17:19         ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-12 17:27           ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-13  7:10             ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-12 17:21         ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-06 15:00 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] RSS accounting hooks over the code Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-11 19:14   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12 16:23     ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12 16:50       ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-12 17:07         ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12 17:33           ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-13  9:43             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12 23:54         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  9:58           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-13 10:25             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-13 16:01               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-14  3:51                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-14  6:42                   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-14  6:57                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-14  7:48                       ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-14 13:25                         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-03-14 13:49                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-14 14:43                             ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-03-14 16:16                             ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-15  5:01                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15  5:44                                 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-28 20:15               ` Ethan Solomita [this message]
2007-03-14 15:37   ` Cedric Le Goater
2007-03-14 15:45     ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-06 15:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] Per-container OOM killer and page reclamation Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-09 21:21   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-11  8:41     ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-06 15:04 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] Account for the number of tasks within container Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-07  2:00   ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07  7:13     ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-08 13:49       ` Paul Menage
2007-03-11  8:36         ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-06 15:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] Account for the number of files opened " Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-07  2:02 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Resource controllers based on process containers Paul Menage
2007-03-07  7:30   ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-07  6:52 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-07  7:32   ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-07  9:43     ` Kirill Korotaev

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