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From: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, srostedt@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	npiggin@suse.de, gregory.haskins@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] sched: pull only one task during NEWIDLE balancing to limit critical section
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:36:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48B3EAD9.60609@novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200808261621.33810.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

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Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 August 2008 06:15, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>   
>> git-id c4acb2c0669c5c5c9b28e9d02a34b5c67edf7092 attempted to limit
>> newidle critical section length by stopping after at least one task
>> was moved.  Further investigation has shown that there are other
>> paths nested further inside the algorithm which still remain that allow
>> long latencies to occur with newidle balancing.  This patch applies
>> the same technique inside balance_tasks() to limit the duration of
>> this optional balancing operation.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
>> CC: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
>>     
>
> Hmm, this (andc4acb2c0669c5c5c9b28e9d02a34b5c67edf7092) still could
> increase the amount of work to do significantly for workloads where
> the CPU is going idle and pulling tasks over frequently. I don't
> really like either of them too much.
>   

I had a feeling you may object to this patch based on your comments on
the first one.  Thats why I CC'd you so you wouldnt think I was trying
to sneak something past ;)

> Maybe increasing the limit would effectively amortize most of the
> problem (say, limit to move 16 tasks at most).
>   

The problem I was seeing was that even moving 2 was too many in the
ftraces traces I looked at.  I think the idea of making a variable limit
(set via a sysctl, etc) here is a good one, but I would recommend we
have the default be "1" for CONFIG_PREEMPT (or at least
CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT) based on what I know right now.   I know last time
you objected to any kind of special cases for the preemptible kernels,
but I think this is a good compromise.  Would this be acceptable?

Thanks Nick,

-Greg


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  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-26 11:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-25 20:15 [PATCH 0/5] sched: misc rt fixes for tip/sched/devel Gregory Haskins
2008-08-25 20:15 ` [PATCH 1/5] sched: only try to push a task on wakeup if it is migratable Gregory Haskins
2008-08-25 20:15 ` [PATCH 2/5] sched: pull only one task during NEWIDLE balancing to limit critical section Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26  6:21   ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 11:36     ` Gregory Haskins [this message]
2008-08-27  6:41       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 11:50         ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-27 11:57           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-25 20:15 ` [PATCH 3/5] sched: make double-lock-balance fair Gregory Haskins
2008-08-25 20:15   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26  6:14   ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 12:23     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-27  6:36       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 11:41         ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-27 11:53           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 12:10             ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-25 20:15 ` [PATCH 4/5] sched: add sched_class->needs_post_schedule() member Gregory Haskins
2008-08-25 20:15 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched: create "pushable_tasks" list to limit pushing to one attempt Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:34 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Series short description Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:34   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] sched: only try to push a task on wakeup if it is migratable Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:34   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] sched: pull only one task during NEWIDLE balancing to limit critical section Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:34     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:35   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] sched: make double-lock-balance fair Gregory Haskins
2008-08-27  8:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-27  8:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-27 10:26       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 10:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-27 10:56           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 10:57             ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 12:03               ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-27 11:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-27 11:17               ` Russell King
2008-08-27 12:00               ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 12:49               ` Ralf Baechle
2008-08-27 12:13             ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-27 12:02       ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:35   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] sched: add sched_class->needs_post_schedule() member Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:35   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] plist: fix PLIST_NODE_INIT to work with debug enabled Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 17:35   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] sched: create "pushable_tasks" list to limit pushing to one attempt Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 13:24     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-26 18:16   ` [PATCH v2 0/6] sched: misc rt fixes for tip/sched/devel (was: Series short description) Gregory Haskins
2008-08-27  8:33   ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Series short description Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-04 12:54 ` [TIP/SCHED/DEVEL PATCH v3 0/6] sched: misc rt fixes Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 12:55   ` [TIP/SCHED/DEVEL PATCH v3 1/6] sched: only try to push a task on wakeup if it is migratable Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 12:55   ` [TIP/SCHED/DEVEL PATCH v3 2/6] sched: pull only one task during NEWIDLE balancing to limit critical section Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 12:55     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 12:55   ` [TIP/SCHED/DEVEL PATCH v3 3/6] sched: make double-lock-balance fair Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 12:55   ` [TIP/SCHED/DEVEL PATCH v3 4/6] sched: add sched_class->needs_post_schedule() member Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 20:36     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-04 20:36       ` Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 12:55   ` [TIP/SCHED/DEVEL PATCH v3 5/6] plist: fix PLIST_NODE_INIT to work with debug enabled Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 12:55   ` [TIP/SCHED/DEVEL PATCH v3 6/6] sched: create "pushable_tasks" list to limit pushing to one attempt Gregory Haskins
2008-09-04 21:16     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-04 21:26       ` Gregory Haskins

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