Re: [PATCH 1/6] staging: android: binder: Remove some funny && usage

From: GeunSik Lim <leemgs1@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>
Cc: "Dianne Hackborn" <hackbod@android.com>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
	"Jeremy Fitzhardinge" <jeremy@goop.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] staging: android: binder: Remove some funny && usage
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:20:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49b7c2350906261920j53243e14mff8721d4c0160dee@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1245936299.32124.299.camel@desktop>

> 2009/6/19 Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>
>> Most of these questions related to the fact that I don't think an
>> interface like this just slips into the kernel as a driver. Since it's
>> IPC, it's totally generic, and it's not part of a standard (i.e. POSIX),
>> we need to have some better and more specific information about it (or
>> atleast I do).
>
> Hi, sorry I have been slow to respond.  I can give a summary of how
> binder is used in the Android platform and the associated feature set.
>  I won't try to address other options, especially D-Bus, because
> honestly I haven't been following it for the last 3 or so years so
> don't really know its current state of art.
> Dianne Hackborn
Um. You means that  Android team selected Openbinder of beOS from Palm
for IPC mechanism in Android software stack 3 years ago.

At that time,
Framework team used Binder(= modified Openbinder core only) just
because D-bus is a premature for android opensource project like belows.
 -   dbus-0.1.tar.gz	(12-Jan-2005  17:20 ,	 309K)

After all,
Current android software stack consists of two IPC equipments like
Binder and D-bus without especial goal ( ? ) .

> I think the biggest issue I have with the binder implementation is that
> it's doing far too much in the kernel, it's not just IPC. It's also
> thread management, memory management, and lots of other stuff that I
> haven't figured out yet .. A lot of it can already be done in userspace.
> Daniel
I agree with your opinions.
I want  android framework team to improve IPC from two(Binder and D-ubs)
to one in the future.

D-bus is stable and mature for IPC currently as we all know.
This is used in the linux based distributions like Fedora, Ubuntu,
Suse successfully. D-bus also is connecting Udev(Userspace Device)
and sysfs(system filesystem)
well in embedded linux products as Nokie released commericial N8XX products.
I think that In theory as well as in practice, the idea of two IPCs was unsound.

Thks,

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GeunSik Lim ( Samsung Electronics )
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e-Mail: geunsik.lim@samsung.com
           leemgs@gmail.com , leemgs1@gmail.com
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