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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:02:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A0481C2.3070306@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090508153320.GB8522@amt.cnet>

Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 08:43:40AM -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>   
>> The problem is the exit time in of itself isnt all that interesting to
>> me.  What I am interested in measuring is how long it takes KVM to
>> process the request and realize that I want to execute function "X". 
>> Ultimately that is what matters in terms of execution latency and is
>> thus the more interesting data.  I think the exit time is possibly an
>> interesting 5th data point, but its more of a side-bar IMO.   In any
>> case, I suspect that both exits will be approximately the same at the
>> VT/SVM level.
>>
>> OTOH: If there is a patch out there to improve KVMs code (say
>> specifically the PIO handling logic), that is fair-game here and we
>> should benchmark it.  For instance, if you have ideas on ways to improve
>> the find_pio_dev performance, etc....   
>>     
>
> <guess mode on>
>
> One easy thing to try is to cache the last successful lookup on a
> pointer, to improve patterns where there's "device locality" (like
> nullio test).
>   

We should do that everywhere, memory slots, pio slots, etc.  Or even 
keep statistics on accesses and sort by that.

> <guess mode off>
>
>   

I'd leave it on if I were you.

>> One item may be to replace the kvm->lock on the bus scan with an RCU
>> or something.... (though PIOs are very frequent and the constant
>> re-entry to an an RCU read-side CS may effectively cause a perpetual
>> grace-period and may be too prohibitive). CC'ing pmck.
>>     
>
> Yes, locking improvements are needed there badly (think for eg the cache
> bouncing of kvm->lock _and_ bouncing of kvm->slots_lock on 4-way SMP
> guests).
>   

There's no reason for kvm->lock on pio.  We should push the locking to 
devices.

I'm going to rename slots_lock as 
slots_lock_please_reimplement_me_using_rcu, this keeps coming up.

>> FWIW: the PIOoHCs were about 140ns slower than pure HC, so some of that
>> 140 can possibly be recouped.  I currently suspect the lock acquisition
>> in the iobus-scan is the bulk of that time, but that is admittedly a
>> guess.  The remaining 200-250ns is elsewhere in the PIO decode.
>>     
>
> vmcs_read is significantly expensive
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/kvm@vger.kernel.org/msg00840.html,
> likely that my measurements were foobar, Avi mentioned 50 cycles for
> vmcs_write).
>   

IIRC vmcs reads are pretty fast, and are being improved.

> See for eg how vmx.c reads VM_EXIT_INTR_INFO twice on every exit.
>   

Ugh.

> Also this one looks pretty bad for a 32-bit PAE guest (and you can 
> get away with the unconditional GUEST_CR3 read too).
>
>         /* Access CR3 don't cause VMExit in paging mode, so we need
>          * to sync with guest real CR3. */
>         if (enable_ept && is_paging(vcpu)) {
>                 vcpu->arch.cr3 = vmcs_readl(GUEST_CR3);
>                 ept_load_pdptrs(vcpu);
>         }
>
>   

We should use an accessor here just like with registers and segment 
registers.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-08 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-05 13:24 [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] add " Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 17:03   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-06 13:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-06 15:16     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06 16:52       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] x86: " Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] kvm: add pv_cpu_ops.hypercall support to the guest Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 13:40   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 14:00     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 14:14       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 14:21         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 15:02         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 23:17         ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06  3:51           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06  7:22             ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 13:17               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06 16:07                 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 17:03                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:05                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:08                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:12                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:16                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:24                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:37                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:00                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:05                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:43                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 20:07                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:15                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 20:26                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  8:35                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 11:29                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:07                                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 19:12                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:21                                       ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 19:26                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:44                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:29                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:25                                           ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 20:34                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:54                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 21:13                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 21:57                                               ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 22:11                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-08 22:33                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-11 13:01                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-11 13:04                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:00                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:31                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:42                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:47                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:50                                 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 23:35                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-07 23:43                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08  3:17                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  7:55                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <20090508103253.GC3011@amt.cnet>
2009-05-08 11:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 14:35                           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 14:45                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 15:51                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 19:56                                 ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-08 20:01                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 23:23                                     ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-09  8:45                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-09 11:27                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10  4:27                                           ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-10  5:24                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-10  4:24                                         ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-08  3:13                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  7:59                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 11:09                         ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                         ` <20090508104228.GD3011@amt.cnet>
2009-05-08 12:43                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 15:33                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 19:02                               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-05-08 16:48                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-08 19:55                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 14:15                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 14:53                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 18:50                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 19:02                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 19:06                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 16:37                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-07 12:29                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 14:59                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-09 12:01                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10 18:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 13:14                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 16:35                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 17:06                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:29                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 17:53                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:51                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:02                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 18:18                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 17:31                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-13 10:53                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-13 14:45                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 16:44                         ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 17:54                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 19:24                             ` PowerPC page faults Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 22:17                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12  5:46                                 ` Liu Yu-B13201
2009-05-12 14:50                                 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-06 13:56             ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Anthony Liguori
2009-05-06 16:03               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  8:17                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 15:20                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 17:00                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 18:55                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 19:05                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 19:12                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 19:59                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10  9:59                             ` Avi Kivity

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