From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.92.24]:6933 "EHLO qw-out-2122.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755758AbZFCVdH (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:33:07 -0400 Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so230764qwd.37 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A26EAE3.7030705@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:28:03 -0400 From: Dean Hildebrand To: Trond Myklebust CC: Carlos Carvalho , linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing References: <5ECD2205-4DC9-41F1-AC5C-ADFA984745D3@oracle.com> <49FA0CE8.9090706@redhat.com> <1241126587.15476.62.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> <1243615595.7155.48.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> <1243618500.7155.56.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> <1243686363.5209.16.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> <1243963631.4868.124.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> <18982.41770.293636.786518@fisica.ufpr.br> <1244049027.5603.5.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> In-Reply-To: <1244049027.5603.5.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Trond Myklebust wrote: > On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 13:22 -0300, Carlos Carvalho wrote: > >> Trond Myklebust (trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no) wrote on 2 June 2009 13:27: >> >Write gathering relies on waiting an arbitrary length of time in order >> >to see if someone is going to send another write. The protocol offers no >> >guidance as to how long that wait should be, and so (at least on the >> >Linux server) we've coded in a hard wait of 10ms if and only if we see >> >that something else has the file open for writing. >> >One problem with the Linux implementation is that the "something else" >> >could be another nfs server thread that happens to be in nfsd_write(), >> >however it could also be another open NFSv4 stateid, or a NLM lock, or a >> >local process that has the file open for writing. >> >Another problem is that the nfs server keeps a record of the last file >> >that was accessed, and also waits if it sees you are writing again to >> >that same file. Of course it has no idea if this is truly a parallel >> >write, or if it just happens that you are writing again to the same file >> >using O_SYNC... >> >> I think the decision to write or wait doesn't belong to the nfs >> server; it should just send the writes immediately. It's up to the >> fs/block/device layers to do the gathering. I understand that the >> client should try to do the gathering before sending the request to >> the wire >> Just to be clear, the linux NFS server does not gather the writes. Writes are passed immediately to the fs. nfsd simply waits 10ms before sync'ing the writes to disk. This allows the underlying file system time to do the gathering and sync data in larger chunks. Of course, this is only for stables writes and wdelay is enabled for the export. Dean > > This isn't something that we've just pulled out of a hat. It dates back > to pre-NFSv3 times, when every write had to be synchronously committed > to disk before the RPC call could return. > > See, for instance, > > http://books.google.com/books?id=y9GgPhjyOUwC&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=What > +is+nfs+write > +gathering&source=bl&ots=M8s0XS2SLd&sig=ctmxQrpII2_Ti4czgpGZrF9mmds&hl=en&ei=Xa0mSrLMC8iptgfSsqHsBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3 > > The point is that while it is a good idea for NFSv2, we have much better > methods of dealing with multiple writes in NFSv3 and v4... > > Trond > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-nfs" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >