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From: Thomas Doerfler <Thomas.Doerfler@embedded-brains.de>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:55:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A434990.7000000@embedded-brains.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1MJdJ1-0000xx-OI@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard,

Richard Stallman wrote:
>     Embedded systems using core soc silicon from a number of manufacturers
>     have started to use what is known as 'secure boot'. This is typically the
>     case in applications which utilise conditional access system software to
>     protect content. The emphasis on using secure boot is largely driven by
>     the conditional access industry itself.
> 
> The principal purpose of these products is to restrict the public's
> freedom.  So it is natural that their means involve restricting our
> freedom too.

You are right in many cases, but on the other hand especially in the
embedded market there are lots of systems which should definitivly NOT
boot every code provided. Just some examples:

- automotive control units: Think about cars being on the highway with
many fancy features built into their electronics (from their owners),
which unfortunately are a security risk for the owner and others on the
road. If a major accident is caused by modified car control software,
who will be sued in the first run? The owner (already dead?)? Or the car
manufacturer who made the system open to changes from everyone?

- medical equipment: Think what nice features could be implemented into
these many machines located in the emergency room... Accessible to any
person who comes by.

My personal believe is that there are many examples of embedded systems,
that should only execute software that has been carefully tested.

And I don't like the idea to see this area as non-compatible with free
software like U-Boot, Linux and others.

wkr,

Thomas.

> 
> In DefectiveByDesign.org we organize protests against such devices.
> They don't deserve help.
> 
>     In this context, I believe both terms are interchangeable and effectively
>     mean the same thing. It is secure because only authenticated code is
>     allowed to be executed, thus another step to avoid piracy, 
> 
> If that is meant to refer to sharing of copies of published works,
> please don't call that "piracy".  That is a propaganda term which is
> used to spread the assumption that sharing is bad.  See
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html.
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-25  9:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 174+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1MHHUe-00046l-SR@fencepost.gnu.org>
2009-06-18 14:51 ` [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? (fwd) Wolfgang Denk
2009-06-18 15:42   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-18 15:46   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-18 15:56     ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-19  8:30       ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-19  0:46   ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-19 22:18     ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-23 16:33       ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-23 19:26         ` Scott Wood
2009-06-23 19:41           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-23 21:14             ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-24  9:17               ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 14:16                 ` Matthew Lear
2009-06-24 16:45                   ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 17:41                     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 11:22                       ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 13:56                         ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:11                           ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25  0:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25  9:55                     ` Thomas Doerfler [this message]
2009-06-25 23:29                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26  0:17                         ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:07                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26  6:11                         ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 14:00                     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 15:38                       ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 16:07                         ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 16:39                           ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 19:10                             ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 19:38                               ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 20:22                                 ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 20:45                                   ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 21:44                                     ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-25 22:11                                       ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-26  9:03                                         ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-06-26  4:50                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26 21:35                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25  0:59               ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 21:24                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-26  4:50                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26  7:22                     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-26 12:10                       ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-27  9:01                         ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-28 20:28                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-29  7:05                             ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-27  9:03                         ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-26 21:35                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-27 19:05                         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-28 20:28                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-24  9:12             ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 11:43               ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-24 13:17                 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 14:38                   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-24 16:34                     ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 16:57                       ` Scott Wood
2009-06-25 12:30                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 19:40                           ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 17:32                       ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 11:04                         ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 13:53                           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:20                             ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 14:37                               ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26  8:25                                 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 13:41                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 13:56                                     ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 14:17                                       ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26 15:11                                         ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 16:23                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 14:41                               ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 18:37                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-26  8:21                                   ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-26 13:48                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-29 15:17                                 ` Robin Getz
2009-06-29 18:48                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-29 19:45                                     ` Robin Getz
2009-06-30 14:04                                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 17:14                                         ` Robin Getz
2009-06-30 19:12                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 22:29                                             ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:46                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 13:11                                                 ` Graeme Russ
2009-07-01 13:55                                                   ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-01 14:51                                                 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02  8:35                                                   ` Pink Boy
2009-07-02 13:56                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-02 14:59                                                     ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 16:11                                                       ` Larry Johnson
2009-07-02 17:12                                                         ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 22:34                                                           ` Pink Boy
2009-07-02 17:21                                                       ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz
2009-07-03 13:48                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01  5:58                                             ` Thomas Dörfler
2009-07-02 13:56                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-02 14:44                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-02 16:06                                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-03 13:47                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 15:51                                                     ` [U-Boot] U-boot " Wolfgang Wegner
2009-07-03 22:52                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04  0:29                                                     ` [U-Boot] U-book " Jon Smirl
2009-07-06 18:04                                                     ` Scott Wood
2009-06-30 19:12                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 21:01                                             ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:45                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 14:27                                                 ` Robin Getz
2009-07-02 13:56                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 19:12                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 22:46                                             ` Robin Getz
2009-07-01 11:45                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25 23:29                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-26  0:02                           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-28 18:48                               ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25  0:59                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-25  3:35                   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-25 16:48                     ` Chris Morgan
2009-06-25 19:25                       ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24  9:09           ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 16:24             ` Scott Wood
2009-06-24 16:36               ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-24 16:56                 ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-24 19:16                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-06-25 11:25                     ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 10:48               ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25  0:58             ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-24 17:16         ` Grant Likely
2009-06-25  0:59         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <fa686aa40906181853g3ce4ebeagc7b7cc93010a6a9c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-06-19  1:53     ` Grant Likely
2009-06-19  8:40   ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-25 14:11     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-27 20:18       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-06-27 22:50         ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-29 14:56           ` Arno Fischer
2009-06-29 15:27             ` Frank Svendsbøe
2009-06-29 16:00               ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-29 16:33               ` Detlev Zundel
2009-07-07 11:51       ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 13:12         ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 13:50           ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 14:43             ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 15:18               ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2009-07-07 15:28               ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-07 16:26                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-06-25 18:46   ` Thomas Doerfler
2009-06-25 18:52     ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-06-25 19:04     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-30  2:03   ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-30 14:05     ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 14:16       ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-06-30 14:30         ` Detlev Zundel
2009-06-30 15:11       ` Eric Nelson
2009-06-30 19:12         ` Richard Stallman
2009-06-30 17:07     ` Scott Wood
2009-07-01  0:01     ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-06 10:55   ` [U-Boot] U-book and GPLv3? Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-06 12:41     ` Jon Smirl
2009-07-06 14:40       ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-06 16:06       ` ksi at koi8.net
2009-07-07 10:05       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 16:50         ` Scott Wood
2009-07-06 15:44     ` Jerry Van Baren
2009-07-06 18:46       ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 19:16         ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-07 21:17           ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-07 10:05       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:24     ` Robin Getz
2009-07-07 20:07     ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-07 21:24       ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-07-09 16:10     ` Kumar Gala
2009-07-09 17:54       ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-09 18:01         ` Kumar Gala
2009-07-09 19:49         ` Remy Bohmer
2009-07-09 20:26           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-07-10 12:49           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-07-09 20:04       ` Wolfgang Denk

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