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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Glen Turner <gdt@gdt.id.au>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: UDP path MTU discovery
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:01:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BB0DCF6.9020401@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877how25kx.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>

> In theory one could probably add some hack in the the kernel UDP code
> to hold one packet and retransmit it immediately with fragments when
> the ICMP comes in. However that would be quite far in behaviour from
> traditional UDP and be considered very ugly. It could also mess up
> congestion avoidance schemes done by the application. 
> 
> Still might be preferable over rewriting zillions of applications?

But which of the last N datagrams sent by the application should be retained for 
retransmission?  It could be scores if not hundreds of datagrams depending on 
the behaviour of the application and the latency to the narrow part of the network.

That the IPv6 specification was heavily "influenced" by "the router guys" seems 
increasingly clear...

rick jones

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-29 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-26  0:02 UDP path MTU discovery Glen Turner
2010-03-26  0:53 ` Rick Jones
2010-03-26  3:26   ` David Miller
2010-03-26 17:48     ` Rick Jones
2010-03-31 23:42     ` Glen Turner
2010-03-31 23:51       ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-04-01  0:06         ` Rick Jones
2010-03-26  3:24 ` David Miller
2010-03-28  8:41   ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-31 23:57     ` Glen Turner
2010-04-01  0:57       ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-28  8:50 ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-29 17:01   ` Rick Jones [this message]
2010-03-29 20:14     ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-29 20:25       ` Rick Jones
2010-03-29 20:50       ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-03-29 21:01         ` Rick Jones
2010-03-29 21:29           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-03-29 23:38             ` Templin, Fred L
2010-03-30  5:20               ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-30  6:06                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-03-30  6:16                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-30  6:17                   ` UDP path MTU discovery II Andi Kleen
2010-03-30  6:16                 ` UDP path MTU discovery Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-03-30  6:19                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-30  8:20                     ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-03-30 14:12                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-30 22:04                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-03-30 15:58                     ` Templin, Fred L
2010-03-30 16:06                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-31 23:43     ` Glen Turner
2010-04-01  0:55       ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-02  5:41         ` Glen Turner
2010-04-04 10:25           ` Andi Kleen

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