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From: Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
To: xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: xfs_repair of critical volume
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:49:25 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CFB19D5.7010301@hardwarefreak.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201012041130.20344.Martin@lichtvoll.de>

Martin Steigerwald put forth on 12/4/2010 4:30 AM:
> Am Freitag 12 November 2010 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
>> Michael Monnerie put forth on 11/12/2010 7:22 AM:
>>> I find the robustness of XFS amazing: You overwrote 1/5th of the disk
>>> with zeroes, and it still works :-)
>>
>> This isn't "robustness" Michael.  If anything it's a serious problem.
>> XFS is reporting that hundreds or thousands of files that have been
>> physically removed still exist.  Regardless of how he arrived at this
>> position, how is this "robust"?  Most people would consider this
>> inconsistency of state a "corruption" situation, not "robustness".
> 
> I think its necessary to differentiate here:
> 
> 1) It appears to be robustness - or pure luck - regarding metadata 
> consistency of the filesystem. I tend to believe its pure luck and that XFS 
> just stored the metadata on the other RAID arrays.
> 
> 2) XFS does not seem to have a way to detect whether file contents are 
> still valid and consistent. It shares that with I think every other Linux 
> filesystem instead BTRFS which uses checksumming for files. (Maybe NILFS as 
> well, I don't know, and the FUSE or the other ZFS port).

After re-reading my own words above again, I feel I a need to clarify
something:  I took exception merely to the description of "robustness"
being used in this situation.  I was not and am not being derogatory of
XFS in any way.  I love XFS.  Of all available filesystems (on any OS) I
feel it is the best.  That's why I use it. :)

In this scenario, other filesystems may have left the OP empty handed.
So, I guess XFS deserves deserves a positive attribution for this.  But,
again, I don't think "robustness" is the correct attribution here.

-- 
Stan


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-05  4:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-31  7:54 xfs_repair of critical volume Eli Morris
2010-10-31  9:54 ` Stan Hoeppner
2010-11-12  8:48   ` Eli Morris
2010-11-12 13:22     ` Michael Monnerie
2010-11-12 22:14       ` Stan Hoeppner
2010-11-13  8:19         ` Emmanuel Florac
2010-11-13  9:28           ` Stan Hoeppner
2010-11-13 15:35             ` Michael Monnerie
2010-11-14  3:31               ` Stan Hoeppner
2010-12-04 10:30         ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-12-05  4:49           ` Stan Hoeppner [this message]
2010-12-05  9:44             ` Roger Willcocks
2010-11-12 23:01       ` Eli Morris
2010-11-13 15:25         ` Michael Monnerie
2010-11-14 11:05         ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-15  4:09           ` Eli Morris
2010-11-16  0:04             ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-17  7:29               ` Eli Morris
2010-11-17  7:47                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-30  7:22                   ` Eli Morris
2010-12-02 11:33                     ` Michael Monnerie
2010-12-03  0:58                       ` Stan Hoeppner
2010-12-04  0:43                       ` Eli Morris
2010-10-31 14:10 ` Emmanuel Florac
2010-10-31 14:41   ` Steve Costaras
2010-10-31 16:52 ` Roger Willcocks
2010-11-01 22:21 ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-01 23:32   ` Eli Morris
2010-11-02  0:14     ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-31 19:56 Eli Morris
2010-10-31 20:40 ` Emmanuel Florac
2010-11-01  3:40   ` Eli Morris
2010-11-01 10:07     ` Emmanuel Florac
2010-10-31 21:10 ` Steve Costaras
2010-11-01 15:03 ` Stan Hoeppner

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