From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753276Ab1KFQT1 (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:19:27 -0500 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:44096 "EHLO fmmailgate03.web.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751911Ab1KFQT0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:19:26 -0500 Message-ID: <4EB6B385.4070804@web.de> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:19:17 +0100 From: Jan Kiszka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); de; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080226 SUSE/2.0.0.12-1.1 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Enberg CC: Avi Kivity , "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , qemu-devel Developers , Alexander Graf , Blue Swirl , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB65C5B.8070709@redhat.com> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B" X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4f93e9DR0jjDNOMo7B08MJ7OqsO+Y0Qw/ENGLMG+OXB Vqev9ELfWp507c6YGb1MOpvfuhX3FlzN2DcmJLo1JOgy/EzuT6 LMAzDx9pstS9sCGW8K6d9y1qTRwrS81nm06WL3u1kZMA2gUXaC mx4pBQT9WyJgpK1rP/hiN1PhlhzGC7WG3L18KVGxwNMCOTSbb/ CZyi4AN6In2DxdGDb6B5Q== Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2011-11-06 14:06, Pekka Enberg wrote: > Sure. I think it's mostly people that are interested in non-Linux > virtualization that think the KVM tool is a pointless project. > However, some people (including myself) think the KVM tool is a more > usable and hackable tool than QEMU for Linux virtualization. "Hackable" is relative. I'm surly not saying QEMU has nicer code than kvm-tool, rather the contrary. But if it were that bad, we would not have hundreds of contributors, just in the very recent history. "Usable" - I've tried kvm-tool several times and still (today) fail to get a standard SUSE image (with a kernel I have to compile and provide separately...) up and running *). Likely a user mistake, but none that is very obvious. At least to me. In contrast, you can throw arbitrary Linux distros in various forms at QEMU, and it will catch and run them. For me, already this is more usable= =2E Jan *) kvm run -m 1000 -d OpenSuse11-4_64.img arch/x86/boot/bzImage \ -p root=3D/dev/vda2 =2E.. [ 1.772791] mousedev: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [ 1.774603] cpuidle: using governor ladder [ 1.775490] cpuidle: using governor menu [ 1.776865] input: AT Raw Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0 [ 1.778609] TCP cubic registered [ 1.779456] Installing 9P2000 support [ 1.782390] Registering the dns_resolver key type [ 1.794323] registered taskstats version 1 =2E..and here the boot just stops, guest apparently waits for something --------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk62s4UACgkQitSsb3rl5xS6swCfbqf+oVjR1BTjrnBP2Us+L5wc fngAn2c1SM/IbkqIA6RynBFc6aP2MUAr =cSMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RN5RP-0002rx-2R for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:19:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RN5RN-0006y4-O8 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:19:27 -0500 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]:58417) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RN5RN-0006xm-DT for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:19:25 -0500 Received: from moweb001.kundenserver.de (moweb001.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.114]) by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692F2672ADE8 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:19:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4EB6B385.4070804@web.de> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:19:17 +0100 From: Jan Kiszka MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB65C5B.8070709@redhat.com> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B" Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Pekka Enberg Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , qemu-devel Developers , Alexander Graf , Blue Swirl , Avi Kivity , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2011-11-06 14:06, Pekka Enberg wrote: > Sure. I think it's mostly people that are interested in non-Linux > virtualization that think the KVM tool is a pointless project. > However, some people (including myself) think the KVM tool is a more > usable and hackable tool than QEMU for Linux virtualization. "Hackable" is relative. I'm surly not saying QEMU has nicer code than kvm-tool, rather the contrary. But if it were that bad, we would not have hundreds of contributors, just in the very recent history. "Usable" - I've tried kvm-tool several times and still (today) fail to get a standard SUSE image (with a kernel I have to compile and provide separately...) up and running *). Likely a user mistake, but none that is very obvious. At least to me. In contrast, you can throw arbitrary Linux distros in various forms at QEMU, and it will catch and run them. For me, already this is more usable= =2E Jan *) kvm run -m 1000 -d OpenSuse11-4_64.img arch/x86/boot/bzImage \ -p root=3D/dev/vda2 =2E.. [ 1.772791] mousedev: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [ 1.774603] cpuidle: using governor ladder [ 1.775490] cpuidle: using governor menu [ 1.776865] input: AT Raw Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0 [ 1.778609] TCP cubic registered [ 1.779456] Installing 9P2000 support [ 1.782390] Registering the dns_resolver key type [ 1.794323] registered taskstats version 1 =2E..and here the boot just stops, guest apparently waits for something --------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk62s4UACgkQitSsb3rl5xS6swCfbqf+oVjR1BTjrnBP2Us+L5wc fngAn2c1SM/IbkqIA6RynBFc6aP2MUAr =cSMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9C8028307C8890E53925920B--