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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Joonas Lahtinen <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@intel.com>
Cc: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] i915 and swiotlb_max_segment
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 11:54:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ac86429-9289-12b5-f4cd-b23ce020bbd6@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7bd2bde-2b95-44fa-18b0-fd883c78e3b6@linux.intel.com>

On 2021-06-03 10:17, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 03/06/2021 09:40, Joonas Lahtinen wrote:
>> + Tvrtko to take a look
>>
>> Quoting Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk (2021-05-20 18:12:58)
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 05:25:25PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> swiotlb_max_segment is a rather strange "API" export by swiotlb.c,
>>>> and i915 is the only (remaining) user.
>>>>
>>>> swiotlb_max_segment returns 0 if swiotlb is not in use, 1 if
>>>> SWIOTLB_FORCE is set or swiotlb-zen is set, and the swiotlb segment
>>>> size when swiotlb is otherwise enabled.
>>>>
>>>> i915 then uses it to:
>>>>
>>>>   a) decided on the max order in i915_gem_object_get_pages_internal
>>>>   b) decide on a max segment size in i915_sg_segment_size
>>>>
>>>> for a) it really seems i915 should switch to dma_alloc_noncoherent
>>>> or dma_alloc_noncontigous ASAP instead of using alloc_page and
>>>> streaming DMA mappings.  Any chance I could trick one of the i915
>>>> maintaines into doing just that given that the callchain is not
>>>> exactly trivial?
>>>>
>>>> For b) I'm not sure swiotlb and i915 really agree on the meaning
>>>> of the value.  swiotlb_set_max_segment basically returns the entire
>>>> size of the swiotlb buffer, while i915 seems to use it to limit
>>>> the size each scatterlist entry.  It seems like dma_max_mapping_size
>>>> might be the best value to use here.
>>>
>>> Yes. The background behind that was SWIOTLB would fail because well, the
>>> size of the sg was too large. And some way to limit it to max size
>>> was needed - the dma_max_mapping_size "should" be just fine.
> 
> Can't say I am 100% at home here but what I remember is that the 
> limiting factor was maximum size of a sg segment and not total size of 
> the mapping.
> 
> Looking at the code today, if we would replace usage 
> swiotlb_max_segment() with dma_max_mapping_size(), I don't see that 
> would work when we call dma_map_sg_attrs().
> 
> Because AFAICT code can end up in dma_direct_max_mapping_size() (not 
> sure when the ops->map_sg path is active and where to trace that) where 
> we have:
> 
> size_t dma_direct_max_mapping_size(struct device *dev)
> {
>      /* If SWIOTLB is active, use its maximum mapping size */
>      if (is_swiotlb_active() &&
>          (dma_addressing_limited(dev) || swiotlb_force == SWIOTLB_FORCE))
>          return swiotlb_max_mapping_size(dev);
>      return SIZE_MAX;
> }
> 
> So for all swiotlb cases, including force, we get:
> 
> size_t swiotlb_max_mapping_size(struct device *dev)
> {
>      return ((size_t)IO_TLB_SIZE) * IO_TLB_SEGSIZE;
> }
> 
> Which is fixed and doesn't align with swiotlb_max_segment(). But you 
> guys are the experts here so please feel to correct me.

But swiotlb_max_segment is also effectively fixed for a given system 
coinfigration, at either a page (under certain circumstances), or a 
value considerably larger than what the longest mappable SG segment 
actually is. Neither seems particularly useful, and to be honest I 
suspect the forced-bounce cases only set it to a page as a sledgehammer 
to make things work *because* the "normal" value is nonsense.

Robin.
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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Joonas Lahtinen <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@intel.com>
Cc: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] i915 and swiotlb_max_segment
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 11:54:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ac86429-9289-12b5-f4cd-b23ce020bbd6@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7bd2bde-2b95-44fa-18b0-fd883c78e3b6@linux.intel.com>

On 2021-06-03 10:17, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 03/06/2021 09:40, Joonas Lahtinen wrote:
>> + Tvrtko to take a look
>>
>> Quoting Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk (2021-05-20 18:12:58)
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 05:25:25PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> swiotlb_max_segment is a rather strange "API" export by swiotlb.c,
>>>> and i915 is the only (remaining) user.
>>>>
>>>> swiotlb_max_segment returns 0 if swiotlb is not in use, 1 if
>>>> SWIOTLB_FORCE is set or swiotlb-zen is set, and the swiotlb segment
>>>> size when swiotlb is otherwise enabled.
>>>>
>>>> i915 then uses it to:
>>>>
>>>>   a) decided on the max order in i915_gem_object_get_pages_internal
>>>>   b) decide on a max segment size in i915_sg_segment_size
>>>>
>>>> for a) it really seems i915 should switch to dma_alloc_noncoherent
>>>> or dma_alloc_noncontigous ASAP instead of using alloc_page and
>>>> streaming DMA mappings.  Any chance I could trick one of the i915
>>>> maintaines into doing just that given that the callchain is not
>>>> exactly trivial?
>>>>
>>>> For b) I'm not sure swiotlb and i915 really agree on the meaning
>>>> of the value.  swiotlb_set_max_segment basically returns the entire
>>>> size of the swiotlb buffer, while i915 seems to use it to limit
>>>> the size each scatterlist entry.  It seems like dma_max_mapping_size
>>>> might be the best value to use here.
>>>
>>> Yes. The background behind that was SWIOTLB would fail because well, the
>>> size of the sg was too large. And some way to limit it to max size
>>> was needed - the dma_max_mapping_size "should" be just fine.
> 
> Can't say I am 100% at home here but what I remember is that the 
> limiting factor was maximum size of a sg segment and not total size of 
> the mapping.
> 
> Looking at the code today, if we would replace usage 
> swiotlb_max_segment() with dma_max_mapping_size(), I don't see that 
> would work when we call dma_map_sg_attrs().
> 
> Because AFAICT code can end up in dma_direct_max_mapping_size() (not 
> sure when the ops->map_sg path is active and where to trace that) where 
> we have:
> 
> size_t dma_direct_max_mapping_size(struct device *dev)
> {
>      /* If SWIOTLB is active, use its maximum mapping size */
>      if (is_swiotlb_active() &&
>          (dma_addressing_limited(dev) || swiotlb_force == SWIOTLB_FORCE))
>          return swiotlb_max_mapping_size(dev);
>      return SIZE_MAX;
> }
> 
> So for all swiotlb cases, including force, we get:
> 
> size_t swiotlb_max_mapping_size(struct device *dev)
> {
>      return ((size_t)IO_TLB_SIZE) * IO_TLB_SEGSIZE;
> }
> 
> Which is fixed and doesn't align with swiotlb_max_segment(). But you 
> guys are the experts here so please feel to correct me.

But swiotlb_max_segment is also effectively fixed for a given system 
coinfigration, at either a page (under certain circumstances), or a 
value considerably larger than what the longest mappable SG segment 
actually is. Neither seems particularly useful, and to be honest I 
suspect the forced-bounce cases only set it to a page as a sledgehammer 
to make things work *because* the "normal" value is nonsense.

Robin.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Joonas Lahtinen <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@intel.com>
Cc: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] i915 and swiotlb_max_segment
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 11:54:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ac86429-9289-12b5-f4cd-b23ce020bbd6@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7bd2bde-2b95-44fa-18b0-fd883c78e3b6@linux.intel.com>

On 2021-06-03 10:17, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 03/06/2021 09:40, Joonas Lahtinen wrote:
>> + Tvrtko to take a look
>>
>> Quoting Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk (2021-05-20 18:12:58)
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 05:25:25PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> swiotlb_max_segment is a rather strange "API" export by swiotlb.c,
>>>> and i915 is the only (remaining) user.
>>>>
>>>> swiotlb_max_segment returns 0 if swiotlb is not in use, 1 if
>>>> SWIOTLB_FORCE is set or swiotlb-zen is set, and the swiotlb segment
>>>> size when swiotlb is otherwise enabled.
>>>>
>>>> i915 then uses it to:
>>>>
>>>>   a) decided on the max order in i915_gem_object_get_pages_internal
>>>>   b) decide on a max segment size in i915_sg_segment_size
>>>>
>>>> for a) it really seems i915 should switch to dma_alloc_noncoherent
>>>> or dma_alloc_noncontigous ASAP instead of using alloc_page and
>>>> streaming DMA mappings.  Any chance I could trick one of the i915
>>>> maintaines into doing just that given that the callchain is not
>>>> exactly trivial?
>>>>
>>>> For b) I'm not sure swiotlb and i915 really agree on the meaning
>>>> of the value.  swiotlb_set_max_segment basically returns the entire
>>>> size of the swiotlb buffer, while i915 seems to use it to limit
>>>> the size each scatterlist entry.  It seems like dma_max_mapping_size
>>>> might be the best value to use here.
>>>
>>> Yes. The background behind that was SWIOTLB would fail because well, the
>>> size of the sg was too large. And some way to limit it to max size
>>> was needed - the dma_max_mapping_size "should" be just fine.
> 
> Can't say I am 100% at home here but what I remember is that the 
> limiting factor was maximum size of a sg segment and not total size of 
> the mapping.
> 
> Looking at the code today, if we would replace usage 
> swiotlb_max_segment() with dma_max_mapping_size(), I don't see that 
> would work when we call dma_map_sg_attrs().
> 
> Because AFAICT code can end up in dma_direct_max_mapping_size() (not 
> sure when the ops->map_sg path is active and where to trace that) where 
> we have:
> 
> size_t dma_direct_max_mapping_size(struct device *dev)
> {
>      /* If SWIOTLB is active, use its maximum mapping size */
>      if (is_swiotlb_active() &&
>          (dma_addressing_limited(dev) || swiotlb_force == SWIOTLB_FORCE))
>          return swiotlb_max_mapping_size(dev);
>      return SIZE_MAX;
> }
> 
> So for all swiotlb cases, including force, we get:
> 
> size_t swiotlb_max_mapping_size(struct device *dev)
> {
>      return ((size_t)IO_TLB_SIZE) * IO_TLB_SEGSIZE;
> }
> 
> Which is fixed and doesn't align with swiotlb_max_segment(). But you 
> guys are the experts here so please feel to correct me.

But swiotlb_max_segment is also effectively fixed for a given system 
coinfigration, at either a page (under certain circumstances), or a 
value considerably larger than what the longest mappable SG segment 
actually is. Neither seems particularly useful, and to be honest I 
suspect the forced-bounce cases only set it to a page as a sledgehammer 
to make things work *because* the "normal" value is nonsense.

Robin.
_______________________________________________
Intel-gfx mailing list
Intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-03 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-10 15:25 i915 and swiotlb_max_segment Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-10 15:25 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christoph Hellwig
2021-05-20 15:12 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2021-05-20 15:12   ` [Intel-gfx] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2021-05-20 15:12   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2021-06-03  8:40   ` Joonas Lahtinen
2021-06-03  8:40     ` [Intel-gfx] " Joonas Lahtinen
2021-06-03  8:40     ` Joonas Lahtinen
2021-06-03  9:17     ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2021-06-03  9:17       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2021-06-03  9:17       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2021-06-03 10:54       ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2021-06-03 10:54         ` Robin Murphy
2021-06-03 10:54         ` Robin Murphy

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