From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3Tdt-0003fJ-5M for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:52:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42886) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3Tdr-0003f9-3t for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:52:35 -0500 Received: from mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.249]:59623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3Tdo-0005Pz-7O for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:52:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (unknown [110.32.125.44]) (Authenticated sender: hpvpp@optusnet.com.au) by mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBE533C2A7D for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 11:52:24 +1100 (AEDT) To: grub-devel@gnu.org From: Humphrey van Polanen Petel Subject: need hostname on menu Message-ID: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 11:52:24 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F941EA3AFEE3A818D510480F" Content-Language: en-US X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=F8MpiZpN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 cx=a_idp_d a=iX/8SjJMN17b1Hg7kHkbMA==:117 a=iX/8SjJMN17b1Hg7kHkbMA==:17 a=RSmzAf-M6YYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=FXHD-47Xwti4EdEGRssA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-Zx4sP_w0A26AT9YMooA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=Ew2E2A-JSTLzCXPT_086:22 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=211.29.132.249; envelope-from=hpvpp@optusnet.com.au; helo=mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 00:52:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F941EA3AFEE3A818D510480F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Currently, the grub menu has no option to display the hostname, but when on a dual-boot system there two systems of the same distribution it becomes a problem when the user is not sure which install is on which disk. In my case, I had Ubuntu 16.04 and 20.04 on separate disks and grub just gave "Ubuntu" as the default so I had to close down the system and reopen the case to refresh my memory of which install was on which disk. I solved the problem by replacing GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` with GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`cat /etc/hostname || lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` which worked well enough. However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a parameter allowing the user to display the name of the install from /etc/hostname. Humphrey -- We are but sheep and here to be fleeced --------------F941EA3AFEE3A818D510480F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

Currently, the grub menu has no option to display the hostname, but when on a dual-boot system there two systems of the same distribution it becomes a problem when the user is not sure which install is on which disk. In my case, I had Ubuntu 16.04 and 20.04 on separate disks and grub just gave "Ubuntu" as the default so I had to close down the system and reopen the case to refresh my memory of which install was on which disk. I solved the problem by replacing

GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`

with

GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`cat /etc/hostname || lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`

which worked well enough.

However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a parameter allowing the user to display the name of the install from /etc/hostname.

Humphrey

-- 
We are but sheep and here to be fleeced

--------------F941EA3AFEE3A818D510480F-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3Tie-0004c7-Mg for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:57:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3Tic-0004bX-NJ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:57:30 -0500 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.66]:58873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3Tia-000751-5b for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:57:30 -0500 Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.94) with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1l3TiT-000c04-9a; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 01:57:20 +0100 Received: from p5b13a61e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.19.166.30] helo=[192.168.178.139]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.94) with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (envelope-from ) id 1l3TiS-003Xkl-Lk; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 01:57:20 +0100 Subject: Re: need hostname on menu To: Humphrey van Polanen Petel References: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> Cc: The development of GNU GRUB From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Message-ID: <68ad9bf5-e814-5e28-8e87-bd67241574fe@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 01:57:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-Sender: glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de X-Originating-IP: 91.19.166.30 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=130.133.4.66; envelope-from=glaubitz@zedat.fu-berlin.de; helo=outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 00:57:30 -0000 Hello! On 1/24/21 1:52 AM, Humphrey van Polanen Petel wrote: > However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a parameter > allowing the user to display the name of the install from /etc/hostname. GRUB is a universal bootloader which supports multiple platforms and operating systems. I'm not sure it would be trivial to implement such a feature for all possible target configurations that GRUB support just to solve this rather exotic problem you are describing here. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3W8y-0001kI-Ue for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 22:32:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3W8w-0001k7-Q2 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 22:32:50 -0500 Received: from mail109.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.80]:55021) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3W8t-0007Br-N1 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2021 22:32:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (unknown [110.32.125.44]) (Authenticated sender: hpvpp@optusnet.com.au) by mail109.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C57F888A5; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:32:40 +1100 (AEDT) Subject: Re: need hostname on menu To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Cc: The development of GNU GRUB References: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> <68ad9bf5-e814-5e28-8e87-bd67241574fe@physik.fu-berlin.de> From: Humphrey van Polanen Petel Message-ID: <4b096da9-39c5-c74a-1e02-d517970d231c@optusnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:32:39 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <68ad9bf5-e814-5e28-8e87-bd67241574fe@physik.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------252BCCF234A84FD8A84FE7B0" Content-Language: en-US X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=F8MpiZpN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 cx=a_idp_d a=iX/8SjJMN17b1Hg7kHkbMA==:117 a=iX/8SjJMN17b1Hg7kHkbMA==:17 a=RSmzAf-M6YYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=O3B5ghewWY72-PNJyS8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=FPwEv5VlAAAA:8 a=ImdkG5glLAd7uSHrrj4A:9 a=vaIi3tSrh7SupH_C:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=7Qi5LXvFUY5DQGGPUEll:22 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=211.29.132.80; envelope-from=hpvpp@optusnet.com.au; helo=mail109.syd.optusnet.com.au X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 03:32:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------252BCCF234A84FD8A84FE7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Whether it is a trivial problem or not I am not qualified to comment on, but it nevertheless seems to me that being able to identify at boot a systemby the name by which it is know is of obvious benefit simply because mnemonics are most easily remembered. And if you wish to call this a "rather exotic problem" then I would like to point out that it is not up to the developers, but to the users to determine how they use their system. Humphrey We are but sheep and here to be fleeced On 24/1/21 11:57 am, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hello! > > On 1/24/21 1:52 AM, Humphrey van Polanen Petel wrote: >> However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a parameter >> allowing the user to display the name of the install from /etc/hostname. > GRUB is a universal bootloader which supports multiple platforms and operating > systems. I'm not sure it would be trivial to implement such a feature for all > possible target configurations that GRUB support just to solve this rather exotic > problem you are describing here. > > Adrian > --------------252BCCF234A84FD8A84FE7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

Whether it is a trivial problem or not I am not qualified to comment on, but it nevertheless seems to me that being able to identify at boot a system by the name by which it is know is of obvious benefit simply because mnemonics are most easily remembered.

And if you wish to call this a "rather exotic problem" then I would like to point out that it is not up to the developers, but to the users to determine how they use their system.

Humphrey

We are but sheep and here to be fleeced

On 24/1/21 11:57 am, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello!

On 1/24/21 1:52 AM, Humphrey van Polanen Petel wrote:

However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a parameter
allowing the user to display the name of the install from /etc/hostname.

GRUB is a universal bootloader which supports multiple platforms and operating
systems. I'm not sure it would be trivial to implement such a feature for all
possible target configurations that GRUB support just to solve this rather exotic
problem you are describing here.

Adrian

--------------252BCCF234A84FD8A84FE7B0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3b1g-0004CV-9U for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 03:45:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3b1X-0004Bx-VU for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 03:45:35 -0500 Received: from mail.mindef.nl ([217.169.235.200]:34718 helo=mx.mindef.nl) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3b1U-0005qi-Rj for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 03:45:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mindef.nl; h=from : to : subject : date : references : in-reply-to : content-type : mime-version : message-id; s=key01; bh=qnNedsnqw3cHYHO/rdgU6bqJSNw7DLsUYkD2eD5F4dw=; b=rkqWvCEwiV3XPU/wZ0TOZwjl6xKSqhUAm2/G89gdj/FKt8rWCZ8gdVN4ZYoG41kDClzO vesBZccBYQ5Wv7ps/GtrnpVAL30EOQNxsZOivEGivbsQB/70yV6e+/oDPA/7/fw+jLTT BdaBCJCxQjBxx/x3i9qKkGFubRiPU0WMsbBJo66q54crzneTCWmFhjqtoxuKLR50B3Wa cPe4s/v5PEfVFa4BsEkX5Pc2c48K1Z21CSk1w003Jt9y0FReESDHyQdTDgKY+F2IWLZL LjPegb4XxyMoOhumobV+9Vz4alurx1jpddudPmnvW88hm4MrHM0tG6N8zxUpbvxXbok9 wg== Received: from v2lqai4962.msg.iegi.nl ([10.60.221.154]) by 0151ims403.msg.iegi.nl (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with ESMTP id 10O8jNeC023626 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:45:23 +0100 Message-Id: <368a468t05-1@0151ims403.msg.iegi.nl> Received: from somewhere by someone Received: from somewhere by someone Received: from somewhere by someone Received: from somewhere by someone From: To: Subject: Re: need hostname on menu Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:45:22 +0000 References: <6ecee3f7-3b00-4fba-8320-5c65a2549da7@QAD40071.mod.nl> In-Reply-To: <6ecee3f7-3b00-4fba-8320-5c65a2549da7@QAD40071.mod.nl> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_cnuaa83vh5ofl7cebpi62nee1611477922753emailplusmobileiro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.169.235.200; envelope-from=J.Witvliet@mindef.nl; helo=mx.mindef.nl X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:45:36 -0000 --_000_cnuaa83vh5ofl7cebpi62nee1611477922753emailplusmobileiro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, that would still be not enough: Imagine installing centOS 3 times, one with gnome-desktop, one with kde-des= ktop, and one with yet another variant, but all using the same OS-release. Your suggestion would still yield three identical labels... From: "Humphrey van Polanen Petel" > Date: Sunday, 24 January 2021 at 01:52:49 To: "grub-devel@gnu.org" > Subject: need hostname on menu Hi, Currently, the grub menu has no option to display the hostname, but when on= a dual-boot system there two systems of the same distribution it becomes a= problem when the user is not sure which install is on which disk. In my c= ase, I had Ubuntu 16.04 and 20.04 on separate disks and grub just gave "Ubu= ntu" as the default so I had to close down the system and reopen the case t= o refresh my memory of which install was on which disk. I solved the probl= em by replacing GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=3D`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` with GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=3D`cat /etc/hostname || lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null= || echo Debian` which worked well enough. However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a paramet= er allowing the user to display the name of the install from /etc/hostname. Humphrey -- We are but sheep and here to be fleeced Dit bericht kan informatie bevatten die niet voor u is bestemd. Indien u ni= et de geadresseerde bent of dit bericht abusievelijk aan u is toegezonden, = wordt u verzocht dat aan de afzender te melden en het bericht te verwijdere= n. De Staat aanvaardt geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade, van welke aard oo= k, die verband houdt met risico's verbonden aan het elektronisch verzenden = van berichten. This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you a= re not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are= requested to inform the sender and delete the message. 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No, that would still be not enough:

Imagine installing centOS 3 times, one with gnome-desktop, one with kd= e-desktop, and one with yet another variant, but all using the same OS-rele= ase.

Your suggestion would still yield three identical labels...

From: "Humphrey van Polanen Petel" <hpvpp@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Sunday, 24 January 2021 at 01:52:49
To: "grub-devel@gnu.org" <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: need hostname on menu

Hi,

Currently, the grub menu has no option to display = the hostname, but when on a dual-boot system there two systems of the same = distribution it becomes a problem when the user is not sure which install i= s on which disk. In my case, I had Ubuntu 16.04 and 20.04 on separate disks and grub just gave "Ubuntu&q= uot; as the default so I had to close down the system and reopen the case t= o refresh my memory of which install was on which disk. I solved the = problem by replacing

GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=3D`lsb_release= -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`

with

GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=3D`cat /etc/ho= stname || lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`

which worked well enough.

However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a para= meter allowing the user to display the name of the install from /etc/hostna= me.

Humphrey

--=20
We are but sheep and here to be fleeced

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The State accepts n= o liability for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent in the electronic transmission of messag= es. --_000_cnuaa83vh5ofl7cebpi62nee1611477922753emailplusmobileiro_-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3bIi-0006s8-7D for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:03:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3bIg-0006s2-En for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:03:14 -0500 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.66]:33377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3bId-00053X-Q1 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:03:14 -0500 Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.94) with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1l3bIa-0021k5-OZ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 10:03:08 +0100 Received: from p5b13a61e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.19.166.30] helo=[192.168.178.139]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.94) with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (envelope-from ) id 1l3bIa-000G9v-5H; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 10:03:08 +0100 Subject: Re: need hostname on menu To: Humphrey van Polanen Petel Cc: The development of GNU GRUB References: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> <68ad9bf5-e814-5e28-8e87-bd67241574fe@physik.fu-berlin.de> <4b096da9-39c5-c74a-1e02-d517970d231c@optusnet.com.au> From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Message-ID: <5e160f2b-ea30-f8f6-14fc-3a7b963681bf@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 10:03:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4b096da9-39c5-c74a-1e02-d517970d231c@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Original-Sender: glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de X-Originating-IP: 91.19.166.30 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=130.133.4.66; envelope-from=glaubitz@zedat.fu-berlin.de; helo=outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:03:14 -0000 Hello! On 1/24/21 4:32 AM, Humphrey van Polanen Petel wrote: > Whether it is a trivial problem or not I am not qualified to comment on, but it > nevertheless seems to me that being able to identify at boot a systemby the name > by which it is know is of obvious benefit simply because mnemonics are most easily > remembered. I was not arguing this point. I was just talking about the development and maintenance effort. > And if you wish to call this a "rather exotic problem" then I would like to point out > that it is not up to the developers, but to the users to determine how they use their > system. No developer is telling you how to use the software, that's not my point but that someone has to implement the feature and maintain it and that person is the developer. So while the developer does not get to tell you how you use the software, he decides what he works on and what not. And if there is a feature that is requested by only a very small amount of users, then it usually makes no sense to put up with the additional development and maintenance burden. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3bhl-0002P8-Ad for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:29:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59426) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3bhi-0002Oi-Uc for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:29:06 -0500 Received: from darkstar.slint.fr ([172.105.89.79]:54990) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3bhg-0008Hc-Pn for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:29:06 -0500 Received: from darkstar.example.slint (men75-h08-176-172-247-100.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr [176.172.247.100]) by darkstar.slint.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0570BE2FB for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:27:55 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=slint.fr; s=default; t=1611476876; bh=PwEGeqGf/p3294DLTMAbDfaEl8t01zELyirfXckCpe8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=cA4MoaBvKNodac9j6Cx/PICm2rqsWX/pyxOpgJQymwZXs7xGFvyxhd5gPvSWbDYoJ RcipwncoeCCunPEhRU1+1k67PwLGH4nACz22/CJlS0peAQv/pvA2wf1+9M13RQplwb NqI8JCZ10bGftjzIBqJLOa1I6rFA3aIW39lx0V1FUE43+mprZZiilMXVtFyZZPlxr9 qmo+HphtsRMwRunKs20L2L0MVpcWsEF6eIKKdb0fW9C/hyLGtUePHbRZNOqTt9q7HT sN5u7KKv2EqfR5c/N5IRigkI44qwNYaBu9WReJ2LbS5HQzDSOxd7uCoOyn8aACPTay TFTHK3B4JBEaw== Subject: Re: need hostname on menu To: grub-devel@gnu.org References: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: <201183ac-457e-9161-d277-0624d636fd67@slint.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 10:28:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=172.105.89.79; envelope-from=didier@slint.fr; helo=darkstar.slint.fr X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:29:07 -0000 Hi, Le 24/01/2021 à 01:52, Humphrey van Polanen Petel a écrit : > However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a > parameter allowing the user to display the name of the install from > /etc/hostname. I won't repeat what grub developers said but in addition: 1) Other users could want to customize the name including an information not available in /etc/hostname, like e.g. /etc/os-release 2) the customization is easy to by the user or the package maintainer or the distribution maintainer and there are several ways to do that, for instance edit by hand grub.cfg, or write a customized config file as /etc/grub.d/_, or write a script that customizes grub.cfg after having run grub-mkconfig or update-grub, possibly called by a wrapper script that will run grub-mkconfig or update-grub first. Have a good day, Didier I won't repeat what grub developers said but in addition: 1) Other users could want to customize the name including an information not available in /etc/hostname, like e.g. /etc/os-release 2) the customization is easy to do by the user or the package maintainer or the distribution maintainer and there are several ways to do that, like: a) Edit by hand grub.cfg b) Write a customized config file as /etc/grub.d/_. c) Write a script that customizes grub.cfg after having run grub-mkconfig or update-grub. d) Write a wrapper script that runs grub-mkconfig or update-grub then do the customization. Have a good day, Didier From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3bmF-0003Sa-5X for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:33:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59950) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3bm9-0003Rc-Fb for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:33:41 -0500 Received: from darkstar.slint.fr ([172.105.89.79]:54992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3bm7-0001xN-V9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 04:33:41 -0500 Received: from darkstar.example.slint (men75-h08-176-172-247-100.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr [176.172.247.100]) by darkstar.slint.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 90B63BE2FB for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:32:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=slint.fr; s=default; t=1611477153; bh=BICs/yTgcRjvLeNx0tcrCymDoNHXgn46JBwpZuo4feM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=snayW106YY59luqMlmwOt4iorkVB6pOgziEuu69LqnmpMV9EtOnVkf+zRLRSx+B4P IIBdoXr/T98EshV4zSsReOPx5cjkBmuckQDQVbjUF2o+hC3i3a4xpYBdlT7q3F4hpc maNwOKUNN+Svoln9/JYvA2kwr335py2wjzZX+2sAi+lGG6HhB0ZCZxTGqrlN59ypRs duQN6uligYUfTV3VjZXI9WzFiaooj1CewQ05Yzm6lubcghSR0uzMvJjiwgiOCsoCyD Xai/F8O0D+q1ZYFB1RRUD7dBmvf6O5Zpjhuf3DUQcSrUx2VgsHjpkNo65TYfyfrhcE kmvw+RJVKLjiQ== Subject: Re: need hostname on menu To: grub-devel@gnu.org References: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> <201183ac-457e-9161-d277-0624d636fd67@slint.fr> From: Didier Spaier Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 10:33:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201183ac-457e-9161-d277-0624d636fd67@slint.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=172.105.89.79; envelope-from=didier@slint.fr; helo=darkstar.slint.fr X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:33:41 -0000 Sorry for the faulty paste, please keep only the part quoted below: Le 24/01/2021 à 10:28, Didier Spaier a écrit : > Hi,> > Le 24/01/2021 à 01:52, Humphrey van Polanen Petel a écrit :>> However, it seems to me that it would be a lot more useful to add a >> parameter allowing the user to display the name of the install from >> /etc/hostname.>> I won't repeat what grub developers said but in addition:> > 1) Other users could want to customize the name including an information> not available in /etc/hostname, like e.g. /etc/os-release> > 2) the customization is easy to do by the user or the package maintainer or> the distribution maintainer and there are several ways to do that, like:> a) Edit by hand grub.cfg> b) Write a customized config file as /etc/grub.d/_.> c) Write a script that customizes grub.cfg after having run grub-mkconfig> or update-grub.> d) Write a wrapper script that runs grub-mkconfig or update-grub then do> the customization.> > Have a good day,> Didier From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3dXT-0001qM-Ce for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 06:26:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42120) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3dXQ-0001q5-6e for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 06:26:36 -0500 Received: from mail107.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.53]:36499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3dXN-0003I1-11 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 06:26:35 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (unknown [110.32.125.44]) (Authenticated sender: hpvpp@optusnet.com.au) by mail107.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DE68D5E46B; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:26:25 +1100 (AEDT) Subject: Re: need hostname on menu To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Cc: The development of GNU GRUB References: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> <68ad9bf5-e814-5e28-8e87-bd67241574fe@physik.fu-berlin.de> <4b096da9-39c5-c74a-1e02-d517970d231c@optusnet.com.au> <5e160f2b-ea30-f8f6-14fc-3a7b963681bf@physik.fu-berlin.de> From: Humphrey van Polanen Petel Message-ID: <0857a7f7-b20f-2dc8-2e9c-234a21a7e14c@optusnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:26:24 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, I get it. I defer to your decision. Humphrey We are but sheep and here to be fleeced On 24/1/21 8:03 pm, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hello! > > On 1/24/21 4:32 AM, Humphrey van Polanen Petel wrote: >> Whether it is a trivial problem or not I am not qualified to comment on, but it >> nevertheless seems to me that being able to identify at boot a systemby the name >> by which it is know is of obvious benefit simply because mnemonics are most easily >> remembered. > I was not arguing this point. I was just talking about the development and maintenance > effort. > >> And if you wish to call this a "rather exotic problem" then I would like to point out >> that it is not up to the developers, but to the users to determine how they use their >> system. > No developer is telling you how to use the software, that's not my point but that someone > has to implement the feature and maintain it and that person is the developer. > > So while the developer does not get to tell you how you use the software, he decides what > he works on and what not. And if there is a feature that is requested by only a very small > amount of users, then it usually makes no sense to put up with the additional development > and maintenance burden. > > Adrian > --------------81F1587EB5635B6466934E1E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Okay, I get it.

I defer to your decision.

Humphrey

We are but sheep and here to be fleeced

On 24/1/21 8:03 pm, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello!

On 1/24/21 4:32 AM, Humphrey van Polanen Petel wrote:

Whether it is a trivial problem or not I am not qualified to comment on, but it
nevertheless seems to me that being able to identify at boot a systemby the name
by which it is know is of obvious benefit simply because mnemonics are most easily
remembered.

I was not arguing this point. I was just talking about the development and maintenance
effort.

And if you wish to call this a "rather exotic problem" then I would like to point out
that it is not up to the developers, but to the users to determine how they use their
system.

No developer is telling you how to use the software, that's not my point but that someone
has to implement the feature and maintain it and that person is the developer.

So while the developer does not get to tell you how you use the software, he decides what
he works on and what not. And if there is a feature that is requested by only a very small
amount of users, then it usually makes no sense to put up with the additional development
and maintenance burden.

Adrian

--------------81F1587EB5635B6466934E1E-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.90_1) id 1l3djM-0007cB-NJ for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 06:38:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3djK-0007bt-UK for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 06:38:54 -0500 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.66]:54103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3djI-0000QM-Mw for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 06:38:54 -0500 Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.94) with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1l3djG-002Z55-KI; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:38:50 +0100 Received: from p5b13a61e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.19.166.30] helo=[192.168.178.139]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.94) with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (envelope-from ) id 1l3djG-000Wzz-0Y; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:38:50 +0100 Subject: Re: need hostname on menu To: Humphrey van Polanen Petel Cc: The development of GNU GRUB References: <968fe2d7-e30f-7c50-e425-9366553d4508@optusnet.com.au> <68ad9bf5-e814-5e28-8e87-bd67241574fe@physik.fu-berlin.de> <4b096da9-39c5-c74a-1e02-d517970d231c@optusnet.com.au> <5e160f2b-ea30-f8f6-14fc-3a7b963681bf@physik.fu-berlin.de> <0857a7f7-b20f-2dc8-2e9c-234a21a7e14c@optusnet.com.au> From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:38:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0857a7f7-b20f-2dc8-2e9c-234a21a7e14c@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-Sender: glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de X-Originating-IP: 91.19.166.30 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=130.133.4.66; envelope-from=glaubitz@zedat.fu-berlin.de; helo=outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 11:38:55 -0000 On 1/24/21 12:26 PM, Humphrey van Polanen Petel wrote: > Okay, I get it. > > I defer to your decision. I did not make any decisions as I'm not in charge of GRUB, I'm just a contributing developer. I merely stated my opinion and pointed out some problems with your suggestion. Adrian -- .''`. 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