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I want to have it seperate of dri-devel. >>> Actually I'd prefer to drop dri-devel from the list where patches >>> for fbdev are sent... >> >> Disagreed. If anything, this thread shows we can't have fbdev and drm in >> silos of their own. > > Patches to fbdev usually don't affect DRM. Patches for fbdev drivers don't usually affect DRM but that's not the case for patches to fbdev core and fbcon as you and others mentioned. > Patches which affect DRM needs to through to dri-devel. And how would people know which ones need to go through dri-devel ? Are you planning to add another entry to MAINTAINERS for fbdev core/fbcon ? > In addition this would take the burden of the dri-developers to receive > unrelated fbdev driver updates and patches. > In my opinion having fbdev patches in the dri-devel mailing list isn't a big burden, but rather getting people to review and push say patches. Since you are volunteering for the latter, that should improve things. I still fail to see the benefit of doing that split, same for having a separate fbdev tree. Using drm-misc only have advantages, among other things providing redundancy in cases that a maintainer isn't available for a period of time. Best regards, -- Javier Martinez Canillas Linux Engineering Red Hat From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (gabe.freedesktop.org [131.252.210.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D19AEC433FE for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CD610E2AD; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5922710E2AD for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:33:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1642498386; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=7q1/JTF0bIrRhpe4p1LKiRt1O+Dx86Uvdqb3h9Xsnk4=; b=X38TlEWHA/ssWyGjFLLa8KQxHLPE9F9jz1bFbikbYIgYcey1Fm+2PKxS9SNHSWyRKuYcF1 BFOsnppgQzEcXn+55Rf7Y1AmH6wNDz8yVuW+WZPAqvIVtl0u2BBMS8Cjbv1cxvUSR5ccgY RFYWzivaCXNqQ8UKZSV2mAOwxk9A0rA= Received: from mail-wm1-f71.google.com (mail-wm1-f71.google.com [209.85.128.71]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-552-1J5Xi6xVOLqepyL1pqf1lw-1; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 04:33:03 -0500 X-MC-Unique: 1J5Xi6xVOLqepyL1pqf1lw-1 Received: by mail-wm1-f71.google.com with SMTP id 14-20020a05600c024e00b0034a83f7391aso1648641wmj.4 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:33:03 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:cc:references:from:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7q1/JTF0bIrRhpe4p1LKiRt1O+Dx86Uvdqb3h9Xsnk4=; b=3GNAcRvNrEDVD2npul6YDG/+qqstpNgm3Wh3E9mrjhdzpHX3aeCEkK96m7XYEVdPTd 8qwJoIVJnHOAH/MiaPI7zK2EQjoFed9WOsj/lR4DJGeEYUH1LScaSiGj6LLJolzIms8q tf29sOvxDfXGNwy9XPUnhAkHlENvhjiyNNgysLukvOm2ccp4TmEm9zZWGuGmTxNffB9G Nol1ZMhoTbzHUzT52KIyQ04Uh/X+uX/wrK71z3RhN7a2VO3zEhuLFzizzayiJunntmnd jGKjcY43xUlYP5mf00ycXjXe9oAT+Z0ppzPccKEECM2/qrumozrYdw9I4r3MJmQDnoH5 6lDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Cm9p6QUGfg2FPk0O8apxvj77YfEMTvquxhzR4WRr41pz/R79M uXePtye07idrGtdGKgFhuONT5dAt4luHVOO9FYYO58jIvlDxOzkUfChWYG8VHWrqtbjN80YvMfL L17vWxbLYLGEDBDfY6e/XlQePx3pb X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:19cd:: with SMTP id u13mr7607777wmq.24.1642498382101; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx0xm3A9FgWG1QKX2erPVozLmLWCgsNizVAgneUsgNpyGHZ8poaU9GyV8Hmd2VZ1oz4dBL/rg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:19cd:: with SMTP id u13mr7607752wmq.24.1642498381856; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([92.176.231.205]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u15sm1727658wml.17.2022.01.18.01.33.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:33:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4f65fdd9-4b73-ca83-cf6e-c60c7ccd6558@redhat.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:33:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Helge as fbdev maintainer To: Helge Deller , Jani Nikula , Thomas Zimmermann , Daniel Vetter References: <97d49bca-f5f7-dba4-b62d-b6fcdd4276ac@suse.de> <87ee5659dt.fsf@intel.com> <4f1d6018-d74e-8e62-ea4d-0ca79c6bbbc5@gmx.de> <87a6ft5thv.fsf@intel.com> <5ba33e10-7d75-9f9a-dfd6-c04608d230a4@gmx.de> From: Javier Martinez Canillas In-Reply-To: <5ba33e10-7d75-9f9a-dfd6-c04608d230a4@gmx.de> Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=javierm@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Errors-To: dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "dri-devel" On 1/18/22 09:54, Helge Deller wrote: > On 1/18/22 09:38, Jani Nikula wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022, Helge Deller wrote: >>> On 1/17/22 22:40, Jani Nikula wrote: >>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: >>>>> Seems like few people read linux-fbdev these days. >>>> >>>> How much traffic is there to linux-fbdev that is *not* Cc'd to dri-devel >>>> also? >>> >>> Doesn't seem like much traffic - which IMHO is OK for such a tree with >>> mostly just maintenance patches. >>> >>>> Do we still need a separate linux-fbdev mailing list at all? >>> >>> Yes. I want to have it seperate of dri-devel. >>> Actually I'd prefer to drop dri-devel from the list where patches >>> for fbdev are sent... >> >> Disagreed. If anything, this thread shows we can't have fbdev and drm in >> silos of their own. > > Patches to fbdev usually don't affect DRM. Patches for fbdev drivers don't usually affect DRM but that's not the case for patches to fbdev core and fbcon as you and others mentioned. > Patches which affect DRM needs to through to dri-devel. And how would people know which ones need to go through dri-devel ? Are you planning to add another entry to MAINTAINERS for fbdev core/fbcon ? > In addition this would take the burden of the dri-developers to receive > unrelated fbdev driver updates and patches. > In my opinion having fbdev patches in the dri-devel mailing list isn't a big burden, but rather getting people to review and push say patches. Since you are volunteering for the latter, that should improve things. I still fail to see the benefit of doing that split, same for having a separate fbdev tree. Using drm-misc only have advantages, among other things providing redundancy in cases that a maintainer isn't available for a period of time. Best regards, -- Javier Martinez Canillas Linux Engineering Red Hat