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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200824222306.GA26736@angband.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org On 25.08.20 г. 1:23 ч., Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:50:30PM +0200, Steve Keller wrote: >> Nikolay Borisov wrote: >>> I have implemented it so it's not that big of a deal. However turns out >>> it has pretty steep requirements for backport because so far btrfs >>> always kept the link count of dirs to 1. > >>> So how effective is such an optimisation to the software using it ? >> >> It's not only optimization like in find(1). As an old and long-time Unix >> user I'd also like that traditional behavior. It just feels more correct >> since if you do mkdir ./a ./b ./c ./d, you will actually see the 4 links >> to the current dir if you do ls -ai a b c d and the two links from . itself >> and from .. > > It's just an implementation detail of sysvfs, and a case of > bug-compatibility. The link count of a directory is always 1 as btrfs, > ext4, xfs, etc -- none of them support directory hardlinks, unlike sysvfs. Wrong, ext4 and xfs do maintain the count. > > So the proper value, as documented, is 1. Copying sysvfs behaviour is also > costly as you need to know the count of contents while statting parent. > Turns out it's not costly at all at least implementation wise. However it incurs a significant cost on maintainability because progs needs to be modified because they'd think a filesystem with a directory count different than 1 is broken... So really the pros need to outweigh the cons. > > Meow! >