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From: Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
	netfilter-devel <netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2] netfilter: add connlabel conntrack extension
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:52:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50A4E5A5.2000607@earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121115121357.GB31335@1984>

On 11/15/2012 07:13 AM, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 01:47:05PM +0100, Florian Westphal wrote:
>> Pablo Neira Ayuso<pablo@netfilter.org>  wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_labels.c b/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_labels.c
>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>> index 0000000..eab398b
>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>> +++ b/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_labels.c
>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@
>>>> +#include<linux/ctype.h>
>>>> +#include<linux/export.h>
>>>> +#include<linux/jhash.h>
>>>> +#include<linux/spinlock.h>
>>>> +#include<linux/types.h>
>>>> +#include<linux/slab.h>
>>>> +
>>>> +#include<net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_ecache.h>
>>>> +#include<net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_labels.h>
>>>> +
>>>> +static int labels_set_realloc(struct nf_conn_labels *l,
>>>> +			      struct __nf_conn_labels_rcu_ptr *oldptr, u16 bit)
>>> I think we can simplify this code if we use the CT target to set the
>>> number of labels that we'll use, so we skip allocations in runtime and
>>> possible reallocation.
>>>
>>> ... -t raw -j CT --labels 32
>> I'm not convinced yet ;-)
>>
>> I think we should avoid to make users fiddle with CT target options
>> just to get certain functionality working.
> I agree that we should try to keep things easy for users.
>
> Still, since the conntrack helper discussion during the last workshop,
> I think that users should explicitly enable conntrack features they
> want via iptables.
>
> In that direction, I've been toying with some patches to explicitly
> enable connectiong tracking via the CT target, ie. instead of tracking
> everything by default and using NOTRACK to say what you don't what
> (like we do now), tell what you want to track via some explict rule.
> PF people are doing it that way.
>
> Still that's an important semantic change so we'll have to keep some
> compatibility mode for some time
Yeah, like forever!! Do you realize what a drastic change this would be? How many
users actually use NOTRACK, and if they do it is for a very specific case. Most 
users
expect CONNTRACK to happen.

> (we would do the conntrack lookup in
> the raw table, and follow-up rules will find the ct object). That also
> would change the assumption that "you have no ct object in the raw
> table" to "you get the ct object just after the -j CT
> --enable-tracking rule".
>
> Note that we would have to rename (via aliasing) the raw table to
> make it become a filter table in the PREROUTING chain once that
> semantic change happens.
>
> As result of that change, it would allow us to remove the current
> template logic from:
>
> 1) attach the template
> 2) use the template in nf_conntrack_in() to set on features we requested
>
> to:
>
> 1) lookup/create ct object and attach features requested by the user
>     all at once.
>
> I'm going to find some spare time to send a RFC patch for this.
>
>> Alternative would be to keep track of highest bit requested in a "-m connlabel"
>> rule to figure out the needed size.
>>
>> In any case, it would require adding "u16 len" to the extension area; else
>> we can't figure out how many bytes are valid, i.e.:
>>
>> struct nf_conn_labels {
>> +       u16 size;		/* length of label storage */
>> +	unsigned long bits[];	/* variable-sized label storage */
>> +};
>>
>> it would increase minimum length needed but it would avoid
>> the rcu dances done by the current scheme.
>>
>> It this is ok for you I'll make this change to see how many LOC are
>> saved by this.
> If we simplify the current connlabel code it would be great. And so
> far, the only way I can think to obtain that is to explictly specify
> via the CT target the length of the label.
>
> Regards.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-15 12:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-02 12:43 [PATCH RFC v2] netfilter: add connlabel conntrack extension Florian Westphal
2012-11-07 20:04 ` Florian Westphal
2012-11-12  6:44   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-12 12:30     ` Florian Westphal
2012-11-12 16:24       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-12 16:32         ` Florian Westphal
2012-11-12 19:02           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-12  6:50 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-12 12:47   ` Florian Westphal
2012-11-15 12:13     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-15 12:50       ` Florian Westphal
2012-11-15 13:09         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-15 12:52       ` Stephen Clark [this message]
2012-11-15 13:06         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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