From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1U7irn-0001CR-Se for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:47:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U7irg-00019B-1K for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:47:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U7ird-0003mm-6v for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:47:51 -0500 Received: from dgate10.ts.fujitsu.com ([80.70.172.49]:63039) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U7irc-0003ma-S9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:47:49 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: s=s1536a; d=ts.fujitsu.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-SBRSScore:X-IronPort-AV:Received:X-IronPort-AV: Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Organization:User-Agent: MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jw+7PSyXVcLkNaDQbEauYEA+fep//EJYRLEsanjx+OcfasQA8m01pONF xc13z3F+vEJfb4V7rXtFQ1K5KDGdumsVU4BGnJTbAJK8s1aSg99AWDxua cqsWwyGUoxK1mLWJFgfpcmybiK/2l2UdlUXOnt0Updze3Gk/eJIu5B8a6 QtXpjdGFzWRTFrOo89FQLE6ZO6rJQjr9lAAcFo1Ct9yge/LdUcYkvNWew kllhH/kT/HNM6cteCVpv/m1lbGXgV; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ts.fujitsu.com; i=@ts.fujitsu.com; q=dns/txt; s=s1536b; t=1361263669; x=1392799669; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nzA2oVyz+CnGdcA4sYhC2XcXpDke1x764/HoF0t+Sng=; b=liDbBd+hW/DXZ1DAJcJfCnzM53h/+htn29yi9jTn/UcPt5qAncrkIizZ 6CqBq++akVohOL5OBmPMDu62fLX6BxUksdgyNRhlYI3EJ3e+8MMiSswnn yD58yLZs3eIlah8OX/V6LlSsg6fAR1ys50/QfdN3TH6y49gQkGtytZiG8 o5jcSG8wZOTyf7WRTmMwVYz6cQ6bWg1TI0QaMWVuC0tbYMFLhCMEMc082 VFp6Mcx+oeYtyWbXDqGlmYM/c+2Od; X-SBRSScore: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,693,1355094000"; d="scan'208";a="137327580" Received: from unknown (HELO abgdate50u.abg.fsc.net) ([172.25.138.66]) by dgate10u.abg.fsc.net with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2013 09:47:32 +0100 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,693,1355094000"; d="scan'208";a="4426089" Received: from unknown (HELO cooper.psw.pdbps.fsc.net) ([172.25.253.64]) by abgdate50u.abg.fsc.net with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2013 09:47:31 +0100 Message-ID: <51233C23.1040602@ts.fujitsu.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:47:31 +0100 From: Martin Wilck Organization: Fujitsu Technology Solutions User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130110 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: grub-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: GRUB and the risk of block list corruption in extX References: <51138645.4050405@ts.fujitsu.com> <51153345.2020509@ts.fujitsu.com> <0088990F-66E5-4F51-A9C4-3BD8963A6DA0@colorremedies.com> <512261FE.2090604@ts.fujitsu.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.70.172.49 X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:47:58 -0000 Chris, > Effectively you're asking for indefinitely supporting GRUB 0.9, by requiring other dependencies so that can happen. The only other dependency I am asking for is the ability for the distro boot loader to be installed in the root or boot partition. That's not much. The biggest argument for Fedora not being able to do this has been the claimed danger of block list corruption. I started this thread in order to clarify what this warning about fragility actually means, and what the actual risk scenario is. That's the only aspect of this discussion that is worth bothering the GRUB developers with. The validity of my use case should be discussed elsewhere. Martin -- Dr. Martin Wilck PRIMERGY System Software Engineer x86 Server Engineering FUJITSU Fujitsu Technology Solutions GmbH Heinz-Nixdorf-Ring 1 33106 Paderborn, Germany Phone: ++49 5251 525 2796 Fax: ++49 5251 525 2820 Email: martin.wilck@ts.fujitsu.com Internet: http://ts.fujitsu.com Company Details: http://ts.fujitsu.com/imprint