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From: LC Bruzenak <lenny@magitekltd.com>
To: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-audit@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] audit: audit feature to set loginuid immutable
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:32:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DD7065.8080206@magitekltd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1768498.01aSW39qOl@x2>

On 07/10/2013 08:46 AM, Steve Grubb wrote:
>
> Currently its a compile time option. This means when its selected the auid is 
> immutable and you have a strong assurance argument that any action by the 
> subject really is the subject's account. Strong assurance may be required for 
> high assurance deployments. It would be more solid standing up in court as 
> well because the argument can be made that whatever action occurred can be 
> attributed to the subject because there is no way to change it. Its tamper-
> proof.
That was my understanding.
>
> The change means the default policy will now allow process with 
> CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL to change the auid to anything at anytime and then perform 
> actions which would be attributed to another user. There is an event logged on 
> setting the loginuid, so it could be considered tamper-evident. At least as 
> long as the event's not filtered or erased.
This sounds dangerous. Why would we want to allow this?
>
> My preference is that we have a way that we can put the system into the 
> immutable mode in a way that leaves no doubts about whether the system has 
> operated under the same policy from beginning to end.
That is a better way.

>From an end user perspective I can tell you that although we strive to
be diligent, the reality of reduced budgets and multi-tasking security
managers means that tamper-proof (at least as a near-to-mid-term goal)
is desired over tamper-evident.
Even if the event is not erased or filtered it means another requirement
levied on a person which I do not believe existed before.

Thanks for the info, Steve. I appreciate it!
LCB

-- 
LC (Lenny) Bruzenak
lenny@magitekltd.com

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-10 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-24 16:11 [PATCH 1/7] audit: implement generic feature setting and retrieving Eric Paris
2013-05-24 16:11 ` [PATCH 2/7] selinux: apply selinux checks on new audit message types Eric Paris
2013-05-24 16:11 ` [PATCH 3/7] audit: loginuid functions coding style Eric Paris
2013-05-24 16:11 ` [PATCH 4/7] audit: remove CONFIG_AUDIT_LOGINUID_IMMUTABLE Eric Paris
2013-05-24 16:11 ` [PATCH 5/7] audit: allow unsetting the loginuid (with priv) Eric Paris
2013-05-24 16:11 ` [PATCH 6/7] audit: audit feature to only allow unsetting the loginuid Eric Paris
2013-05-24 16:11 ` [PATCH 7/7] audit: audit feature to set loginuid immutable Eric Paris
2013-07-08 20:34   ` Steve Grubb
2013-07-08 20:51     ` Eric Paris
2013-07-08 21:26       ` Steve Grubb
2013-07-08 21:32         ` Eric Paris
2013-07-09 22:24           ` Steve Grubb
2013-07-09 23:51             ` LC Bruzenak
2013-07-10 13:46               ` Steve Grubb
2013-07-10 14:32                 ` LC Bruzenak [this message]
2013-07-10 18:16                   ` Eric Paris
2013-07-10 18:51                     ` LC Bruzenak
2013-07-10 19:02                       ` LC Bruzenak
2013-07-10 19:09                       ` Eric Paris
2013-05-24 16:28 ` [PATCH 1/7] audit: implement generic feature setting and retrieving Eric Paris
2013-05-24 20:41   ` William Roberts
2013-05-24 20:56     ` William Roberts
2013-05-30 17:20 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2013-07-08 20:28 ` Steve Grubb
2013-07-08 21:55   ` Eric Paris
2013-07-09  1:18     ` William Roberts
2013-07-09 18:30     ` Steve Grubb
2013-07-09 20:59       ` Eric Paris
2013-07-09 22:08 ` Steve Grubb
2013-11-02  7:26 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2013-11-02 14:44   ` Eric Paris
2014-08-22 21:58 ` Steve Grubb

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