From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933903Ab3GPTb6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:31:58 -0400 Received: from terminus.zytor.com ([198.137.202.10]:58131 "EHLO mail.zytor.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933772Ab3GPTbz (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:31:55 -0400 Message-ID: <51E59F79.1040903@zytor.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:31:05 -0700 From: "H. Peter Anvin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130625 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefano Stabellini CC: Steven Rostedt , Chris Ball , Darren Hart , Sarah Sharp , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML References: <20130715174659.GC15531@xanatos> <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130715184642.GE15531@xanatos> <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <1373932170.28142.24.camel@envy.home> <864nbv9qcm.fsf@void.printf.net> <1373944014.17876.255.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E4BFA9.1030600@zytor.com> <1373991399.6458.6.camel@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 07/16/2013 09:58 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > Because Linux is the most widely used kernel, it's everywhere from > embedded devices to supercomputers. > Many different companies make a business on Linux and pay people to work > on it (not FreeBSD or NetBSD). But that's different from what I was > saying below. Also not all the sub-groups within the kernel development > circles work this way. > I think you have an inverse causal relationship here. Linux took off in a way that the other OSS operating systems didn't, and several of them had started earlier and with way more funding available. You really have to think about why we are not running Hurd, or any of the various *BSDs, and instead Linus' "not big and professional like GNU" hack. In my opinion it was because the Linux community was in fact the most open and welcoming of the Open Source communities around. > When HPA wrote "I find it utterly impossible to be offended by it", that > might be true for Linus' rants and I also find them humorous sometimes. > But unfortunately this kind of behavior is by no means limited to Linus > and it's easy to misunderstand, especially when you don't know the > person. There seem to be a fair number of people who think they can imitate Linus' style but do so without understanding the subtle aspects about how to apply it. -hpa