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From: Pekka Enberg <penberg@iki.fi>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Hemant Kumar <hkshaw@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	hegdevasant@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	anton@redhat.com, systemtap@sourceware.org,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>,
	aravinda@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/3] Support for perf to probe into SDT markers:
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:56:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <526E26A4.8000802@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131026095023.GF14237@gmail.com>

On 10/26/2013 12:50 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> I think in 99% of the usecases people will either use pre-built
> markers that come with their distro, or will be intimately aware of
> the markers because they are in the very app they are developing.
>
> So I wouldn't worry about 'user has a weird binary' case too much.
>
> I agree with Pekka that making them easily discoverable and visible
> as a coherent whole is really important.

I wouldn't worry about the weird binary case either.

Even a build-time whitelist would help. Just put libc and libjvm
there and you're already covering a lot of interesting cases.
And if you then add a printout:

   Use 'perf list --scan' to find more tracepoints on your
   system.

you're now effectively covering 100% of the cases.

The trick of making the UI not suck is not to force the user
to think about the different mechanisms like SDT markers,
uprobes, or ktap scripts but to make them as transparent
as possible, provide useful defaults, and actively guide the
user towards learning about more command line options
for the complex cases.

                 Pekka

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-28  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-23  5:04 [PATCH v4 0/3] perf support to SDT markers Hemant Kumar
2013-10-23  5:04 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] SDT markers listing by perf: Hemant Kumar
2013-10-23  5:05 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] Support for perf to probe into SDT markers: Hemant Kumar
2013-10-24  5:45   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-24 10:25     ` Hemant Kumar
2013-10-25 12:38   ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-25 12:59     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-10-25 14:20       ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-25 15:20         ` David Ahern
2013-10-28  8:48           ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-28 16:59             ` David Ahern
2013-10-28 18:45               ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-29  9:55                 ` Hemant Kumar
2013-10-29 14:05                   ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-29 19:41                     ` Hemant Kumar
2013-10-30 10:22                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-26  9:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-28  8:56         ` Pekka Enberg [this message]
2013-10-28 10:57         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-29  5:50         ` Namhyung Kim
2013-10-26 11:16     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-10-28  8:40       ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-28 10:34         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-30 10:05       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-30 11:51         ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-31  9:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-31 10:54           ` Mark Wielaard
2013-10-31 10:57             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-31 13:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-31 13:23               ` Mark Wielaard
2013-10-30 13:30         ` Hemant Kumar
2013-10-28 11:23     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-28 12:42       ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-28 14:11         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-10-28 14:21           ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-28 17:31             ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-10-28 17:48               ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-29  3:19                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-29  5:31                   ` Namhyung Kim
2013-10-29 14:51                   ` Mark Wielaard
2013-10-29 19:54                     ` Pekka Enberg
2013-10-29  2:51               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-10-23  5:05 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] Documentation regarding perf/sdt Hemant Kumar

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