From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761245Ab3GSTQp (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:16:45 -0400 Received: from mondschein.lichtvoll.de ([194.150.191.11]:35668 "EHLO mail.lichtvoll.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1761230Ab3GSTQl convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:16:41 -0400 From: Martin Steigerwald To: Sarah Sharp Cc: Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Steven Rostedt , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , Darren Hart , Rusty Russell Subject: Re: mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:16:38 +0200 Message-ID: <5288295.7WB1v5y4LW@merkaba> User-Agent: KMail/4.10.5 (Linux/3.11.0-rc1-tp520+; KDE/4.10.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20130719190127.GA12990@xanatos> References: <20130715180403.GD15531@xanatos> <20130719092256.GC25784@gmail.com> <20130719190127.GA12990@xanatos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am Freitag, 19. Juli 2013, 12:01:27 schrieb Sarah Sharp: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:22:56AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Sarah Sharp wrote: […] > "Respect" means different things to different people. Here's a list of > potentially disrespectful behaviors: > > * cussing > * belittling statements > * demeaning sarcasm > * telling someone to SHUT THE FUCK UP > * overuse of ALL CAPS to prove a point > * encouraging suicide (telling someone to go kill themselves) > * hysteria (inappropriate over-reaction to a bad situation) > * name calling (calling someone stupid, a moron, etc) > * insulting someone's technical skills > * making people feel inferior > * rewriting someone's code and submitting it without credit to them > * ...and not apologizing for these behaviors when someone proves you > are wrong about the situation, or over-reacting. > > When these behaviors are combined with giving negative feedback on > someone's behavior, some developers may perceive the email as a personal > attack. That's why I advocate minimizing these behaviors in > communications between Linus and his lieutenants about their bad > behavior as maintainers. I have one note about what you wrote and I see similar wording in other mails as I read the thread with interest (but without having much to add to what I wrote in my one mail before): Linus and his lieutenants? I heard the word "benevolent dictator" in conjunction with Linus, dunno, whether he said it or someone else said it or whatnot, but still: Is the kernel developer community a *military* organisation? Just wanted to raise awareness to this wording. As you pointed out repeatedly: Words make a difference. A huge one, I think. > Just please, let me do my job as a kernel maintainer, and please stop > replying to this conversation. I can only write so many long emails a > day without it cutting into my time for writing code and debugging USB > issues. > > Move on, agree to disagree, and let's discuss this at KS. This however is clearly *your* decision. Its is absolutely and completely your decision whether you reply to a mail or not. So I won´t accept any responsibility for that and I am fully aware that I have no power to not let you do your job as a kernel maintainer. :) Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7