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([2601:202:4180:a5c0:d8cc:ac72:24b0:3118]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e4sm6558804pge.45.2020.05.03.15.16.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 May 2020 15:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Openembedded-architecture] Proposal: community maintained recipes in oe-core To: openembedded-architecture@lists.openembedded.org, OE-core References: From: "akuster" Autocrypt: addr=akuster808@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFnlUP4BEADpKf+FQdLykenQXKk8i6xJNxDow+ypFeVAy8iFJp7Dsev+BtwUFo8VG7hx Jmd71vHMw+coBetWC3lk+IKjX815Ox0puYXQVRRtI+yMCgd6ib3oGxoQ8tCMwhf9c9/aKjaz mP97lWgGHbiEVsDpjzmMZGlJ6pDVZzxykkJExKaosE46AcA8KvfhRQg5zRyYBtinzs8Zu8AP aquZVHNXxPwjKPaSEEYqQjFeiNgFTavV+AhM2dmPmGUWCX9RZisrqA4slGwEB0srMdFf12Zg mD35Y9jZ80qpu5LPtJCFcsaAlebqR+dg36pIpiRR+olhN1wmC6LYP1vw6uMEYBjkTa2Rnb6+ C4FDzCJD4UCrUvLMNeTW810DY0bjMMj3SfmSGSfQUssaaaTXCVlLGuGxyCr/kza1rHaXMKum Ek4EFj1fyn7AfkSLEHfJfY4sO1tpgigvs4eD/4ZSQEXSu/TjVvyKx4EvUbhlGMRyH2CPwD/H 7DFF8tcVtJvCwUUW+zKtjxjSSLrhniNMXAOQJZ6CdaqCe4OyJQT5aRdr+FWbBRjpaRCCf5nf dTc88NMU9PrBT3vu0QJ5WNPO6MJpnb+d8iMNLZAz8tv8JMm2l+sMcNKSJ6lhX8peoBsfMVqc FgiykEO0fUt7DCbUYR5tLjM/3E5tHvTjMooVJyOxoufVLYtTtQARAQABzSFha3VzdGVyODA4 IDxha3VzdGVyODA4QGdtYWlsLmNvbT7CwX0EEwEIACcFAlnlUP4CGyMFCQlmAYAFCwkIBwIG FQgJCgsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ7ou0mfRW5/kuhRAAlR2FTq5572jrX5nnPR7AqI2bvSVb vqGLlvv739WhghvagbC+tu05QguopAhWW1/DcHK2+QtfIoC9UZrSW4RaO0CCo5sPjqK7l1KT ngWX/rGjF6xTF2QN0U/btcpMyVN2CNtVLwsDF9e+GHKoUcnFkP+JP8vHGokN9k6E/c97hLaL IJPeKl8LZXc2Efk+MaW1NXkfDJdcp/p+voajbihSQO6OZ/o+x9d2I3ZybKfTZ71+ek5Hxzjz g6KkMOI7KJjlmBlrQFAtVbS+CFAKrwkYznE6ggkcmGv3N7DeUBTUR78hf+EZEAM+ajeLMtrG rXE00pIb+gLGYPZxba5pCdQ+qWUW38qi9UnIRPm6fq7Ypx1r6XwJvbgCOkhbxo3D4YUdyC0b FE9lgrg8htbc9in4j2+hVI6ALswNjLprzXdzdKrd+T3Egx36o3Z/qrYsW2o5/A5sVvvASVKi wRPuEKhEhfmiHUPLvuKqhMoymHaz3fg5D2Q8G0gSDkLgeEpAjiWqf4+AGLx+MSDai7DSOsmI t61kWxs7cFTB32UrB/TDoVNn3Fm88ZFQpA/bngikE9jgEm045mSY86fNlbFj2mcCd0Ha1i1n aYc97RpgfjNMWyHDVHOGrNg/hJjkGa5RsAXkfyBwltHRw0Hj4urUQ3rr8um8PLe43SezPwXA oRoyDxDOwU0EWeVQ/gEQALNHwj5VSPdnvXy1RXUuH+rclMx4x8zaqDyY0YqHfA7b/d8Y0VAt Y6YpzDeFTwD8A0Wfb7kZ2mlDIE6ODCB71uT/E3C6b+FiiN+lgzslznjUW+9l8ddDhRrC8HMG 37vrXF5h++PTXUKEKUlkDib1w093tu3mlJXUvIAzl8CEHkptF6Br0L9XxFwuWoNUfjT9IorQ 0SVIhvq5PhVAITXUD5fD7/N8B4TYegmHFRo1UaaKSnSHwlJJkzKpeWOH8QTYrP0RHxX86Obv IZuwbAo3F3oojcvLJt9NxWnbEmEALkleklLZnukgu7q5Wp1VDwhUbMFTLb6qmnBa/Xi30uOk 0l1TMHDbeQswvQDOZBAMukSRqyBetKxQ3iTfZ/3z1ubQRcVDbVlMDScSHQq0LK3F9yMOMM/6 0QPqJjl13xn/+Bn7WJiAIXXwzAV7uo6i0khFfjDtCDQ40aeffqOLxp1yMLkc3EKJGcQ5F6O2 ycEf4QXCYUbMXjxB0EJB8y7z+xOi5Mmd/pPlVmZ2gQK84NAL90p7n7jRlyf3gOUY+JOl4c5e UFiIhOzmuqNrvPOiZ02GXh6SGUU5y7IgSoIKvXSFgHAn2OG/tcspBmkyv6IuNVpmbmEgYn4I Rnt40UXVQkxTh0dENFhk2cjunMYozV/OqYCgmZLFSeJd8kAo4yn+yOtNABEBAAHCwWUEGAEI AA8FAlnlUP4CGwwFCQlmAYAACgkQ7ou0mfRW5/nNcg//R63cbOS6zLtvdnPub3Ssp1Ft8Wmv mni+kccuNApuDV7d63QckYxjAfUv2zYMLpbh87gVbLyCq9ASn552EbfRhTvHdk44CgbHBVcI ZBEdZWgRR5ViJakQSYHpP2e5AGNFnx9gSIuRTaa5rvZM+4xeoZ2vJiq93TtaYPr7UFNfK+c4 vv4C66lkt9l95/I10eSc3RqbOKZW47emlg4X3ygEoB9k2lPrpspyf6sUuSEi0WrlSxoLAr6p JG8rTUErYNeXe6JCdL31odDx1Dh5sdKIj2RicUYZNilxu9f1M7jZwf2ra1FGAlKj2ybqmgpZ EFteaiCinEYsvDyZyOiWHjAFI+RZIPQQL3AnVp4l7wYD3r9hnqYPww0slyMDcb9262RoFkHq dDwxPYarrNjWUpOzxB6bFxOgNRdCTgvQl8Ftk8a/yXB6vHeUSm1vPFCBxQPZytyfOLhEWm0J /mkVL0Z6iRK3p1LKnpLYCS4/esL2u7RrhPyCs2SsL58YcQF/g+PpeT9geZ+oyZ/4IQ+TWJoU PNHndk8VBTpzrmOaJxrebNL/W6C8JCmbLM11TAUMmHYi9JDytN8Au78hWpDbIdKwg1LeSxpw ZZD/OqOc0DBvHOpQhzkSrtR1lVlDV/+9E8J1T4uDhrGmZwYV+4xQetypHax8aAHisYbjXdVa 8CS2NxU= Message-ID: <53530eac-ce1c-db1a-f489-1d5a4a910870@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 15:16:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CC951BB5A6A0C708F41634E9" Content-Language: en-US --------------CC951BB5A6A0C708F41634E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/2/20 4:35 AM, Alexander Kanavin wrote: > Hello all, > > the current maintenance model in openembedded-core is problematic due > to lack of well-working process of finding maintainers, and replacing > them when they're no longer able to contribute. This becomes > especially frustrating when maintainers silently disappear, and > perfectly fine patches produced by Auto Upgrade Helper and sent to > them via private mail go wasted. Can you clarify what you mean by silently disappear.=C2=A0 By the time I h= ave time to process an update, someone else has sent the patches.=C2=A0 > > I'm proposing that some of the recipes in oe-core - those that are > known to lack an active maintainer - would be transitioned to > 'community maintenance'. Define active > What this means is that the maintainer's email becomes the oe-core > mailing list email, and accordingly monthly upgrade patches will be > sent to the list. Then anyone with an interest in those components can > pick up the patches, polish/test them as needed and send them to > oe-core for inclusion into master/release branches. Well that is one of the problems of putting tooling into the community's hands. It is made it easy to send updates to the list. Is not uncommon to accept "Update" as the only=C2=A0 information, do you expect the submmi= ter to deal with stable or the Package Maintainer? This opens up an easy path for people to become maintainers, and also highlights what recipes suffer from lack of attention. I agree there should be a way to update maintainers e-main once we determine they are not longer willing to take part in that program or absent. I believe this an issue in general for OpenSource has had to address over the years. > > Let me know, > Alex > >=20 --------------CC951BB5A6A0C708F41634E9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 5/2/20 4:35 AM, Alexander Kanavin wrote:
Hello all,

the current maintenance model in openembedded-core is problematic due to lack of well-working process of finding maintainers, and replacing them when they're no longer able to contribute. This becomes especially frustrating when maintainers silently disappear, and perfectly fine patches produced by Auto Upgrade Helper and sent to them via private mail go wasted.

Can you clarify what you mean by silently disappear.  By the time I have time to process an update, someone else has sent the patches. 

I'm proposing that some of the recipes in oe-core - those that are known to lack an active maintainer - would be transitioned to 'community maintenance'.
Define active

What this means is that the maintainer's email becomes the oe-core mailing list email, and accordingly monthly upgrade patches will be sent to the list. Then anyone with an interest in those components can pick up the patches, polish/test them as needed and send them to oe-core for inclusion into master/release branches.

Well that is one of the problems of putting tooling into the community's hands. It is made it easy to send updates to the list. Is not uncommon to accept "Update" as the only  information, do you expect the submmiter to deal with stable or the Package Maintainer?

This opens up an easy path for people to become maintainers, and also highlights what recipes suffer from lack of attention.

I agree there should be a way to update maintainers e-main once we determine they are not longer willing to take part in that program or absent. I believe this an issue in general for OpenSource has had to address over the years.

Let me know,
Alex


    

    

  


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