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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: aarcange@redhat.com, yamahata@private.email.ne.jp,
	lilei@linux.vnet.ibm.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	quintela@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/46] Return path: Open a return path on QEMUFile for sockets
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 14:31:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53C670B9.7030008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140716115233.GH2514@work-vm>

Il 16/07/2014 13:52, Dr. David Alan Gilbert ha scritto:
> * Paolo Bonzini (pbonzini@redhat.com) wrote:
>> Il 16/07/2014 11:37, Dr. David Alan Gilbert ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    /* If it's already open, return it */
>>>>> +    if (qfs->file->return_path) {
>>>>> +        return qfs->file->return_path;
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't this leave a dangling file descriptor if you call
>>>> socket_dup_return_path twice, and then close the original QEMUFile?
>>>
>>> Hmm - how?
>>
>> The problem is that there is no reference count on QEMUFile, so if you do
>>
>>   f1 = open_return_path(f0);
>>   f2 = open_return_path(f0);
>>   /* now f1 == f2 */
>>   qemu_fclose(f1);
>>   /* now f2 is dangling */
>
> I think from the way I'm using it, I can remove the optimisation, but I do
> need to check.
>
> I'm not too sure what your worry is about 'f2' in this case; I guess the caller
> needs to know that it should only close the return path once - is that
> your worry?

Yes.  The API is not well encapsulated; a "random" caller of 
open_return_path does not know (and cannot know) whether it should close 
the returned file or not.

> I'm more nervous about dropping that one, because the current scheme
> does provide a clean way of finding the forward path if you've got the
> reverse (although I don't think I make use of it).

If it isn't used, why keep it?

>>>  Source side
>>>     Forward path - written by migration thread
>>>            : It's OK for this to be blocking, but we end up with it being
>>>              non-blocking, and modify the socket code to emulate blocking.
>>
>> This likely has a performance impact though.  The first migration thread
>> code drop from Juan already improved throughput a lot, even if it kept the
>> iothread all the time and only converted from nonblocking writes to
>> blocking.
>
> Can you give some more reasoning as to why you think this will hit the
> performance so much; I thought the output buffers were quite big anyway.

I don't really know, it's
>>>     Return path  - opened by main thread, read by fd_handler on main thread
>>>            : Must be non-blocking so as not to block the main thread while
>>>              waiting for a partially sent command.
>>
>> Why can't you handle this in the migration thread (or a new postcopy thread
>> on the source side)?  Then it can stay blocking.
>
> Handling it within the migration thread would make it much more complicated
> (which would be bad since it's already complex enough);

Ok.  I'm not sure why it is more complicated since migration is 
essentially two-phase, one where the source drives it and one where the 
source just waits for requests, but I'll trust you on this. :)

>>>  Destination side
>>>     Forward path - read by main thread
>>
>> This must be nonblocking so that the monitor keeps responding.
>
> Interesting, I suspect none of the code in there is set up for that at the
> moment, so how does that work during migration at the moment?

It sure is. :)

On the destination side, migration is done in a coroutine (see 
process_incoming_migration) so it's all transparent.  Only 
socket_get_buffer has to know about this:

         len = qemu_recv(s->fd, buf, size, 0);
         if (len != -1) {
             break;
         }
         if (socket_error() == EAGAIN) {
             yield_until_fd_readable(s->fd);
         } else if (socket_error() != EINTR) {
             break;
         }

If the socket is put in blocking mode recv will never return EAGAIN, so 
this code will only run if the socket is nonblocking.

> Actually, I see I missed something here; this should be:
>
>    Destination side
>          Forward path - read by main thread, and listener thread (see the
>              separate mail that described that listner thread)
>
> and that means that once postcopy is going (and the listener thread started)
> it can't block the monitor.

Ok, so the listener thread can do socket_set_block(qemu_get_fd(file)) 
once it gets its hands on the QEMUFile.

>>>     Return path  - opened by main thread, written by main thread AND postcopy
>>>                    thread (protected by rp_mutex)
>>
>> When does the main thread needs to write?
>
> Not much; the only things the main thread currently responds to are the
> ReqAck (ping like) requests; those are turning out to be very useful during debug;
> I've also got the ability for the destination to send a migration result back to the
> source which seems useful to be able to 'fail' early.

Why can't this be done in the listener thread?  (Thus transforming it 
into a more general postcopy migration thread; later we could even 
change incoming migration from a coroutine to a thread).

>> If it doesn't need that, you can just switch to blocking when you process
>> the listen command (i.e. when the postcopy thread starts).
>
> Why don't I just do it anyway? Prior to postcopy starting we're in the same
> situation as we're in with precopy today, so can already get mainblock threading.

See above for the explanation.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-16 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-04 17:41 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/46] Postcopy implementation Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/46] qemu_ram_foreach_block: pass up error value, and down the ramblock name Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-07 15:46   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-07 15:48     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/46] Move QEMUFile structure to qemu-file.h Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/46] QEMUSizedBuffer/QEMUFile Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/46] improve DPRINTF macros, add to savevm Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/46] Add qemu_get_counted_string to read a string prefixed by a count byte Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/46] Create MigrationIncomingState Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/46] Return path: Open a return path on QEMUFile for sockets Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:06   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-16  9:37     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-16  9:50       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-16 11:52         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-16 12:31           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2014-07-16 17:10             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-17  6:25               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/46] Return path: socket_writev_buffer: Block even on non-blocking fd's Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/46] Migration commands Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/46] Return path: Control commands Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/46] Return path: Send responses from destination to source Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/46] Return path: Source handling of return path Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/46] qemu_loadvm debug Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/46] ram_debug_dump_bitmap: Dump a migration bitmap as text Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/46] Rework loadvm path for subloops Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:26   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 14:35     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-07 14:53       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 15:04         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-16  9:25         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/46] Add migration-capability boolean for postcopy-ram Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-07 19:41   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-07 20:23     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 16:17       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-10 19:02         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/46] Add wrappers and handlers for sending/receiving the postcopy-ram migration messages Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/46] QEMU_VM_CMD_PACKAGED: Send a packaged chunk of migration stream Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/46] migrate_init: Call from savevm Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/46] Allow savevm handlers to state whether they could go into postcopy Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/46] postcopy: OS support test Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/46] Migration parameters: Add qmp/hmp commands for setting/viewing Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-07 19:50   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/46] MIG_STATE_POSTCOPY_ACTIVE: Add new migration state Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/46] qemu_savevm_state_complete: Postcopy changes Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/46] Postcopy: Maintain sentmap during postcopy pre phase Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/46] Postcopy page-map-incoming (PMI) structure Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 27/46] postcopy: Add incoming_init/cleanup functions Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/46] postcopy: Incoming initialisation Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 29/46] postcopy: ram_enable_notify to switch on userfault Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 30/46] Postcopy: postcopy_start Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 31/46] Postcopy: Rework migration thread for postcopy mode Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-08-28 11:04     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-08-28 11:23       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 32/46] mig fd_connect: open return path Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 33/46] Postcopy: Create a fault handler thread before marking the ram as userfault Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 34/46] Page request: Add MIG_RPCOMM_REQPAGES reverse command Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 35/46] Page request: Process incoming page request Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 36/46] Page request: Consume pages off the post-copy queue Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 37/46] Add assertion to check migration_dirty_pages doesn't go -ve; have seen it happen once but not sure why Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-11 15:20   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-11 15:41     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 38/46] postcopy_ram.c: place_page and helpers Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 39/46] Postcopy: Use helpers to map pages during migration Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 40/46] qemu_ram_block_from_host Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 41/46] Handle userfault requests (although userfaultfd not done yet) Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 42/46] Start up a postcopy/listener thread ready for incoming page data Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 43/46] postcopy: Wire up loadvm_postcopy_ram_handle_{run, end} commands Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 44/46] postcopy: Use userfaultfd Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 45/46] End of migration for postcopy Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 46/46] Start documenting how postcopy works Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/46] Postcopy implementation Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 14:02   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-07 14:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 14:58       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 11:29       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 12:48         ` Eric Blake
2014-07-10 13:37           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 15:33             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-07-10 15:49               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-11  4:05                 ` Sanidhya Kashyap
2014-08-11 15:31           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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