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From: Tom Evans <tom_usenet@optusnet.com.au>
To: Paarvai Naai <opensource3141@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-can@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: Querying current tx_queue usage of a SocketCAN interface
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 14:09:39 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <551A0FF3.4070400@optusnet.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAE+ymrvvqL_o3ZTWdq96kQmMe6c3OzqM+SQN3qPpyH1dLMjmrw@mail.gmail.com>

On 31/03/15 11:26, Paarvai Naai wrote:
> Hi Tom,
 > ...
> If there are multiple clients, there is idneed the priority inversion
> problem you mention.  Even if one has a single process designated to
> read/write to the interface, managing priority is not fool proof.  A
> low priority message could get submitted to the underlying SocketCAN
> interface and be unable to go out onto the bus because of other
> third-party nodes on the bus sending higher priority traffic at high
> frequency.  This would block further messages from going out on the
> SocketCAN interfaces, even though they have higher priority, no?

Of course. That's the working definition of "PRIORITY".

If that happens the system is behaving exactly as it has been designed to do, 
both by the hardware and software vendors, and by YOU, the default "System 
Architect".

It that isn't doing what you want it to do, reassign the IDs so the "Higher 
Priority" or time sensitive messages have a higher priority, and the "high 
frequency" traffic has a sensibly lower priority.

CAN was never meant to be used in an "Open System" where different and 
unrelated devices can be plugged onto a common bus. It is meant to be used n a 
single car where the whole system has been designed, specified (including 
assignment of all IDs with appropriate priorities), and rigorously tested to 
ensure the situation you're describing can't happen.

Tom


  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-31  3:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CAE+ymru296P+LjkT7_ONVc2OGMP9mtXW46Nq5aSnm1etauj9Aw@mail.gmail.com>
2015-03-28 20:26 ` Fwd: Querying current tx_queue usage of a SocketCAN interface Paarvai Naai
2015-03-29 22:42   ` Tom Evans
2015-03-30 21:55     ` Paarvai Naai
     [not found]       ` <5519E5A9.7080104@optusnet.com.au>
2015-03-31  0:26         ` Paarvai Naai
2015-03-31  3:09           ` Tom Evans [this message]
2015-04-01 20:33             ` Paarvai Naai
2015-04-01 20:57               ` Dan Egnor
2015-04-02  2:20                 ` Tom Evans
2015-04-02  2:33                   ` Daniel Egnor
2015-04-01 23:21               ` Tom Evans
2015-04-02  0:33                 ` Dan Egnor
2015-04-02  2:20                   ` Tom Evans
2015-04-02  6:28                     ` Flexcan (was: Re: Fwd: Querying current tx_queue usage of a SocketCAN interface) Marc Kleine-Budde
2015-04-02 11:35                       ` Tom Evans
2015-04-02 12:07                         ` Flexcan Marc Kleine-Budde
2015-04-04  3:32                         ` Flexcan (was: Re: Fwd: Querying current tx_queue usage of a SocketCAN interface) Tom Evans
2015-04-09  8:06                           ` Flexcan Tom Evans
2015-04-10  6:35                             ` Flexcan (was: Re: Fwd: Querying current tx_queue usage of a SocketCAN interface) Tom Evans
2015-04-02 18:23                     ` Fwd: Querying current tx_queue usage of a SocketCAN interface Paarvai Naai
2015-04-02  6:46                   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2015-04-02 18:28                     ` Paarvai Naai
2015-04-03  1:35                       ` Tom Evans
2015-04-03  6:45                         ` Paarvai Naai
2015-04-03 11:08                           ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2015-04-03 15:24                             ` Paarvai Naai
2015-04-03 20:28                               ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2015-04-03 20:53                                 ` Paarvai Naai
2015-04-04  8:49                                   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2015-04-06 17:54                                     ` Paarvai Naai

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