From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Panu Matilainen Subject: Re: GitHub sandbox for the DPDK community Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 11:12:28 +0300 Message-ID: <5549CCEC.8090606@redhat.com> References: <20150501164512.GB27756@hmsreliant.think-freely.org> <20150501173108.GA24714@mhcomputing.net> <533710CFB86FA344BFBF2D6802E602860466B524@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com> <20150504174857.GA27496@mhcomputing.net> <924D0FD1-4A1F-4C3E-929C-38C29AED61D7@netgate.com>, <20150505135542.GB27259@hmsreliant.think-freely.org> <0CA4031C-561F-4BB9-8B14-674D6D99EE6E@intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "dev-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org" To: "Wiles, Keith" , Neil Horman Return-path: In-Reply-To: <0CA4031C-561F-4BB9-8B14-674D6D99EE6E-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> List-Id: patches and discussions about DPDK List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dev-bounces-VfR2kkLFssw@public.gmane.org Sender: "dev" On 05/05/2015 07:43 PM, Wiles, Keith wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 5, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Neil Horman wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 10:25:00PM -0500, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> >>>> On May 4, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Wiles, Keith wr= ote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 5/4/15, 10:48 AM, "Matthew Hall" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 12:43:48PM +0000, Qiu, Michael wrote: >>>>>> What mail client do you use? I think mail client supporting threa= d mode >>>>>> is important for patch review. >>>>> >>>>> Like many UNIX people, I use mutt. >>>>> >>>>> My concern is that, if we're making the widespread adoption, usage,= and >>>>> contributions for DPDK dependent on selection or debate of the feat= ures >>>>> of >>>>> various MUAs, I'm not sure that we're looking at this from the righ= t >>>>> angle. >>>>> >>>>> I'm just trying to figure out how to get DPDK in the place where th= e most >>>>> eyeballs are, rather than trying to drag the eyeballs to the place = where >>>>> DPDK >>>>> is. >>>> >>>> +1, I agree with this statement completely and I feel discussions ab= out an >>>> MUA is non-productive and out of scope. >>> >>> +1. I=E2=80=99ve avoided the whole discussion, because =E2=80=A6 ok,= =E2=80=9Cnon-productive and out of scope=E2=80=9D is a polite way of say= ing it. >>> >>> jim >> >> Very well, since you seem to want to avoid talking about ways to get w= hat you >> want in a workflow, lets go back to where the conversation started: >> >> http://dpdk.org/ml/archives/dev/2015-May/017225.html >> >> We got into this debate because you wanted to move the project to gith= ub, and as >> supporting reasons, listed a plethora of features that you liked about= the site. >> This entire subtread has been meant to illustrate how you can have the= features >> you want that you see as adventageous in the github environment withou= t actualy >> moving to github. We've focused on email quote collapsing because we = kept >> responding to one another, though I'm sure we could have the same deba= te on any >> one of the workflow features github offers. >> >> Can we all agree then, that for the list posted in your email above, a= ny github >> environmental feature can be recreated with proper tooling, available = today, >> without forcing the github environment on everybody? Further, can we = agree >> that, given that those features are not unique to github, they are not >> compelling reasons to move the project there? > > Neil (I had to type this on my phone so please forgive any typos or > other statements that may sound odd. I am not trying to be rude in anyw= ay) Somewhat OT but if you feel a disclaimer like this is required, would it=20 not be better to let the response wait a few hours (or even a day or=20 two) until you get back to a real computer? Especially since the matter=20 is not actually urgent but just an ongoing discussion on a mailing list=20 that is likely to continue for days or weeks to come. > > I feel you are taking everything out of context here. The email > client being able collapse threads is not the point here and I have > tried to redirect you politely to the points moving DPDK to github. Well perhaps there's also a point between the lines: many people (myself=20 included) prefer email with the MUA of their choice as *the* tool for=20 these tasks over some web interface that changes every now and then at=20 somebody elses whim. But certainly many !=3D all. > As I and others have pointed out GitHub offers a huge number eyes > for DPDK community. I dont know - how does moving a tree into a forest make it more visible?=20 Well, to some of the other trees in the forest yes. Maybe there's a=20 social networking aspect to this which I dont understand, I'm just a=20 grumpy old-schooler. But if I need to find something, be it software or=20 something else, I go to Google not GitHub (or SourceForge before that). > GitHub offers a different set of processes and > tools, which we do not have to create. Moving to GitHub is a change > for the community and I feel a good change for the better. Like quite a few others in this thread, I dont care if the git repo=20 moved to the end of internet as long as email continues to be a=20 first-class means for patch submissions, reviews and other=20 communication. It doesn't have to be the only way as clearly many people=20 prefer otherwise. [...] > > I do not want to split the DPDK community or try alienating any one. Forcing a change of tools and workflows on everybody WILL create=20 ill-will if nothing else. Also please realize that not everybody sees GitHub as the greatest thing=20 since sliced bread. It has quite some "Hotel California" aspects to it,=20 and actually the imago of an average GH project is not that great: there=20 are so many badly run and abandoned projects there that the first=20 thought when I hear the word GitHub is "oh no, not one of those again"=20 rather than "cool". I know I'm not alone in that thinking. - Panu -