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From: LC Bruzenak <lenny@magitekltd.com>
To: linux-audit@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 05/10] audit: log creation and deletion of namespace instances
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:36:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5554CF19.3000401@magitekltd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3156096.4s7Ni5U1tG@x2>


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On 05/14/2015 11:21 AM, Steve Grubb wrote:
> Then I'd suggest we either scrap this set of patches and forget auditing of
> containers. (This would have the effect of disallowing them in a lot of
> environments because violations of security policy can't be detected.)
Again +1.

I personally have envisioned a use-case in which I feel containers would 
be architecturally ideal, however in my situation, and I'm fairly sure 
anyone  for whom the security requirements matter (i.e. WHY we use 
SElinux in the first place), this is mandatory.

Without context-aware definitive audit records which discretely identify 
people/actions/objects, the use of any otherwise attractive technology 
is untenable.

LCB

-- 
LC (Lenny) Bruzenak
lenny@magitekltd.com



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  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-14 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-17  7:35 [PATCH V6 00/10] namespaces: log namespaces per task Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35 ` [PATCH V6 08/10] fork: audit on creation of new namespace(s) Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found] ` <cover.1429252659.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 01/10] namespaces: expose ns_entries Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 02/10] proc_ns: define PROC_*_INIT_INO in terms of PROC_DYNAMIC_FIRST Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 03/10] audit: log namespace ID numbers Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 04/10] audit: initialize at subsystem time rather than device time Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 05/10] audit: log creation and deletion of namespace instances Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]     ` <11270b0b1afd0a25b108915673e1e1b38dfeeafa.1429252659.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 14:22       ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:22         ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:31         ` Aristeu Rozanski
2015-05-05 14:31           ` Aristeu Rozanski
     [not found]           ` <20150505143119.GA4350-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 14:46             ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:46               ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 14:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-05 14:56           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87pp6fhy4c.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 15:16             ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-05 15:16               ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-12 19:57         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-12 19:57           ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]           ` <20150512195759.GA9832-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 14:57             ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-14 14:57           ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-14 14:57             ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-14 15:12             ` LC Bruzenak
2015-05-14 15:42             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-14 15:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <87iobvnp1t.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 16:21                 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-14 16:21                   ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-14 16:36                   ` LC Bruzenak [this message]
2015-05-15  2:03                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15  2:03               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15  2:03                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-14 15:42             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-14 19:19             ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  1:31               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15  1:31               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15  1:31                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87bnhmbp8e.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15  2:25                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15 13:17                   ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 21:01                   ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  2:25                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15 13:17                 ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 13:17                   ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 14:51                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15 14:51                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-15 21:01                 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  2:32               ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                 ` <20150515023221.GC965-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15  6:23                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15  6:23                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15  6:23                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                   ` <CALCETrWzM4+Vs8OVJWBcWJfbR_DRSb+e7SmUyy6CS4sHQaTkRw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 12:38                     ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 12:38                       ` Steve Grubb
2015-05-15 13:17                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15 13:17                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15 21:05                     ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15 21:05                       ` Paul Moore
2015-05-16  9:46                       ` Daniel J Walsh
2015-05-16  9:46                         ` Daniel J Walsh
2015-05-16 12:16                         ` Paul Moore
2015-05-16 14:46                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-16 14:46                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-16 14:46                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <87r3qgpol6.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-16 22:49                               ` Paul Moore
2015-05-16 22:49                                 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-16 22:49                                 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-19 13:09                                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                                   ` <20150519130911.GB20131-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-19 14:27                                     ` Paul Moore
2015-05-19 14:27                                   ` Paul Moore
     [not found]                                 ` <CAHC9VhQs6pxFC3dvZic5XzuJr1xdJZyPjXdBoipwY3OOkng0ng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-19 13:09                                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                           ` <CAHC9VhRKSK9=9qPF3dgALS=x1g3LinNeQvuhNV5TvQ=D7Szuag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-16 14:46                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <555711FA.50703-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-16 12:16                           ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  2:32               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-14 19:19             ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15  0:48             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15  0:48             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15  0:48               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15 20:26               ` Paul Moore
     [not found]               ` <20150515004855.GB10526-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15  1:10                 ` Oren Laadan
2015-05-15  2:11                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15  2:11                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                     ` <20150515021126.GA965-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 13:19                       ` Daniel J Walsh
2015-05-15 13:19                         ` Daniel J Walsh
     [not found]                   ` <CAA4jN2bgynVTwF+owtXgq06JMLQJpy_qokpD0mAguNYeDxmh1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15  2:11                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-05-15 20:42                     ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15 20:42                   ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15 20:42                     ` Paul Moore
2015-05-15 20:26                 ` Paul Moore
2015-05-12 19:57         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 06/10] audit: dump namespace IDs for pid on receipt of AUDIT_NS_INFO Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 07/10] sched: add a macro to ref all CLONE_NEW* flags Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]     ` <cf1ed24f71743ea7f85682f26f3185202a1f8a32.1429252659.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17  8:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-17  8:18         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20150417081843.GE23123-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17 15:42           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17 15:42         ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]           ` <20150417154250.GA26233-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17 17:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-17 17:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]               ` <20150417174131.GL23123-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17 22:00                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17 22:00                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 08/10] fork: audit on creation of new namespace(s) Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 09/10] audit: log on switching namespace (setns) Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35   ` [PATCH V6 10/10] audit: emit AUDIT_NS_INFO record with AUDIT_VIRT_CONTROL record Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-17  7:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-21  4:33   ` [PATCH V6 00/10] namespaces: log namespaces per task Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-21  4:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <87vbgqw163.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-23  3:07       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-23  3:07         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-23 20:44         ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]           ` <20150423204429.GA25794-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-24 19:36             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-24 19:36           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87bnid9v4f.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-28  2:05               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2015-04-28  2:05                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                 ` <20150428020555.GB20713-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-28  2:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-28  2:16                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-08 14:42                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                     ` <87zj5tgfpb.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 14:42                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]         ` <20150423030751.GA6712-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-23 20:44           ` Richard Guy Briggs

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