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From: Alexander Kanavin <alexander.kanavin@linux.intel.com>
To: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/29] Add gobject introspection support to oe-core
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:14:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56433F27.60001@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56433A3D.9060104@linux.intel.com>

On 11/11/2015 02:53 PM, Alexander Kanavin wrote:

>> Same reason gtk-doc's scanner executes code: vast amounts of relevant
>> information can't reliably be extracted from source but is trivial to
>> introspect at runtime (GObject hierarchy, properties, signals, etc).
>
> Yep; the real problem is that GObject is implementing OOP semantics in a
> language that doesn't natively support them. So you can't extract
> information about those either from the source code, or from the
> finished binaries, or during binary build. The only way to do it is to
> run the actual binary and ask it to describe itself.

FWIW, I also think that GObject made a disastrous decision to avoid a 
high-level IDL with a preprocessor-to-C tool to describe those things 
(similar to what Qt does with Qt-specific extensions to C++); instead, 
they force everyone to write GObject boilerplate directly in C, which is 
absolutely horrible to read, write and maintain. Just try reading the 
GObject developer's manual without getting a headache.

It's partly out of these frustrations that Vala was born, and Gnome made 
the decision to switch to Javascript on top of gobject introspection.

Alex


  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-09 14:50 [PATCH 00/29] Add gobject introspection support to oe-core Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 01/29] qemu.bbclass: add qemu_wrapper_cmdline() Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 02/29] qemu: don't blacklist mips64 when building runners of userspace binaries Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 03/29] gobject-introspection: add the recipe Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 04/29] gtk-doc-stub: remove introspection stubs Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 05/29] gobject-introspection.bbclass: add a class that enables gobject introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 06/29] python3-native: use the previous version of python-config script Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 07/29] avahi-ui: remove the dependency on python-pygtk by disabling avahi-discover Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 08/29] python-pygtk: remove the recipe Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-10 13:13   ` Jussi Kukkonen
2015-11-10 13:25     ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-10 14:18       ` Jussi Kukkonen
2015-11-10 14:31         ` Paul Eggleton
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 09/29] avahi: enable gobject-introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 10/29] udev: enable gobject introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 11/29] vala: enable the use of vapigen by packages with vala support Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 12/29] gcr: enable generation of vapi files using vapigen Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 13/29] gdk-pixbuf: enable gobject introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 14/29] gconf: enable gobject-introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 15/29] gtk+: enable gobject introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 16/29] gtk+3: enable gobject-introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 17/29] libsecret: enable generation of vapi files using vapigen Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 18/29] clutter: enable gobject introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 19/29] vala.bbclass: remove pre-packaged vapigen.m4 from tarballs Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 20/29] libsoup-2.4: enable gobject introspection Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 21/29] at-spi2-core: " Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 22/29] gstreamer: " Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 23/29] gnomebase.bbclass: " Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 24/29] webkitgtk: " Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 25/29] gcr: disable gobject introspection on x86-64 for now Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 26/29] gcr: disable gobject-introspection on mips64 Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 27/29] libsecret: " Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 28/29] webkitgtk: disable gobject-introspection on powerpc Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-09 14:50 ` [PATCH 29/29] packagegroup-core-x11-sato: add python-pygobject and gtk+3 Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-10 14:31 ` [PATCH 00/29] Add gobject introspection support to oe-core Mark Hatle
2015-11-10 15:36   ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-10 16:39     ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-10 17:40       ` Burton, Ross
2015-11-10 18:25         ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-10 22:39           ` Richard Purdie
2015-11-10 23:10       ` Phil Blundell
2015-11-10 23:40         ` Burton, Ross
2015-11-11  0:15           ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-11  3:29           ` Khem Raj
2015-11-11 12:53           ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-11 13:14             ` Alexander Kanavin [this message]
2015-11-11 12:45       ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-11 13:34         ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-11 13:48           ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-11 13:50             ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2015-11-11 13:55               ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-11 13:57                 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2015-11-11 13:59                   ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-11 13:58           ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-13 13:53             ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-13 16:12               ` alexander.kanavin
2015-11-13 16:31                 ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-16  9:52                   ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-16 16:12                     ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-17 14:06                       ` Alexander Kanavin
2015-11-17 15:02                         ` Mark Hatle
2015-11-18 16:10                           ` Alexander Kanavin
2016-01-19 16:03                             ` Mark Hatle
2016-03-10 16:56 ` Martin Jansa
2016-03-10 16:56   ` Burton, Ross
2016-03-10 17:05     ` Martin Jansa
2015-11-26 14:26 Alexander Kanavin

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