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From: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
To: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>,
	Anand Jain <anand.jain@oracle.com>,
	Qu Wenruo <quwenruo@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/15] btrfs: Hot spare and Auto replace
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 08:39:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5649DC80.5080106@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56468653.9050005@gmx.com>

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On 2015-11-13 19:54, Qu Wenruo wrote:
>
>
> 在 2015年11月13日 18:20, Anand Jain 写道:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for commenting.
>>
>>>>> I'm sorry but I didn't quite see the benefit of a spare device.
>>>> Aside from what Duncan said (and I happen to agree with him), there is
>>>> also the fact that hot-spares are (at least traditionally in most RAID
>>>> systems) usually used with RAID5 or RAID6 (or some other parity
>>>> scheme).
>>>>
>>>> So, to summarize:
>>>> 1. Hot spares are more useful for most users in global context, and in
>>>> that case only if they have more than one filesystem.
>>>> 2. A pool of hot spares is even more useful.
>>>
>>> Agreed, just as Ducan said.
>>> Although only one spare device is supported yet.
>>
>>   You can add more than one spare device currently.
>>
>>>> 3. Assuming whole disk usage (as opposed to partitioning), the hot
>>>> spare
>>>> will have no load on it until it gets used, at which point it will
>>>> almost always be in better physical condition than the device it
>>>> replaced (which is important for HA systems, in such cases you replace
>>>> the disk that failed, and make the new disk a hot spare)
>>>
>>> OK, that's also right, if no one is calling btrfs dev scan with a
>>> interval.
>>
>>    Not too sure what you mean about the scan part.
>
> Btrfs device scan will need to read the sb of the device.
> So the hot spare device won't really sleep for a long time as each time
> btrfs scan devices, it will wakeup the device.
Um, no, unless you have a device scan on a cron job, you will only scan 
at boot (and the disk will usually be running then anyway, because most 
firmware spins up all disks at boot), because using mkfs or (I assume) 
registering the hot spare the first time automatically registers it with 
the kernel module.
>
> Not sure about soft raid hot spare. Maybe they won't cause any IO on the
> device? Or just the same with btrfs hot spare.
That depends on the type of hot spare.  Most soft raid systems use a 
similar policy to this patch-set (let the hot spare sit there until we 
need, then auto-replace when a device fails), but some use it actively 
in the set without counting it as part of the capacity (I see this 
mostly in RAID6 setups, where it just reshapes the array online to 
exclude the failed device).



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  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-16 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-09 10:56 [PATCH 00/15] btrfs: Hot spare and Auto replace Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 01/15] btrfs: Introduce a new function to check if all chunks a OK for degraded mount Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 02/15] btrfs: Do per-chunk check for mount time check Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 03/15] btrfs: Do per-chunk degraded check for remount Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 04/15] btrfs: Allow barrier_all_devices to do per-chunk device check Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 05/15] btrfs: optimize btrfs_check_degradable() for calls outside of barrier Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 06/15] btrfs: Cleanup num_tolerated_disk_barrier_failures Anand Jain
2015-12-05  7:16   ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 07/15] btrfs: introduce device dynamic state transition to offline or failed Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 08/15] btrfs: check device for critical errors and mark failed Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 09/15] btrfs: block incompatible optional features at scan Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 10/15] btrfs: introduce BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SPARE_DEV Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 11/15] btrfs: add check not to mount a spare device Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 12/15] btrfs: support btrfs dev scan for " Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 13/15] btrfs: provide framework to get and put a " Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 14/15] btrfs: introduce helper functions to perform hot replace Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 15/15] btrfs: check for failed device and " Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] btrfs-progs: Hot spare and Auto replace Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 1/4] btrfs-progs: Introduce BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SPARE_DEV SB flags Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 2/4] btrfs-progs: Introduce btrfs spare subcommand Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 3/4] btrfs-progs: add fi show for spare Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 4/4] btrfs-progs: add global spare device list to filesystem show Anand Jain
2015-11-09 14:09 ` [PATCH 00/15] btrfs: Hot spare and Auto replace Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-09 21:29   ` Duncan
2015-11-10 12:13     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-13 10:17       ` Anand Jain
2015-11-13 12:25         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-15 18:10         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-11-12  2:15 ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-12  6:46   ` Duncan
2015-11-12 13:04   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-13  1:07     ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-13 10:20       ` Anand Jain
2015-11-14  0:54         ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-16 13:39           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn [this message]
2015-11-12 19:08   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2015-11-13 10:18   ` Anand Jain
2015-11-12 19:21 ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2015-11-13 10:20   ` Anand Jain
2015-11-14 11:05     ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2015-11-16 13:41 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-16 22:07   ` Anand Jain
2015-11-17 12:28     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn

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