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From: "Jan Beulich" <JBeulich@suse.com>
To: Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com>
Cc: Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Zhang Yu <yu.c.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	StefanoStabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com>,
	"zhiyuan.lv@intel.com" <zhiyuan.lv@intel.com>,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@citrix.com>,
	"Keir (Xen.org)" <keir@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] tools: introduce parameter max_wp_ram_ranges.
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 06:17:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56B20BFA02000078000CE0E7@prv-mh.provo.novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9467b97e15bc4cb1b8d6c948ad4fc926@AMSPEX02CL03.citrite.net>

>>> On 03.02.16 at 14:07, <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com> wrote:
>>  -----Original Message-----
> [snip]
>> >> >> I'm getting the impression that we're moving in circles. A blanket
>> >> >> limit above the 256 one for all domains is _not_ going to be
>> >> >> acceptable; going to 8k will still need host admin consent. With
>> >> >> your rangeset performance improvement patch, each range is
>> >> >> going to be tracked by a 40 byte structure (up from 32), which
>> >> >> already means an overhead increase for all the other ranges. 8k
>> >> >> of wp ranges implies an overhead beyond 448k (including the
>> >> >> xmalloc() overhead), which is not _that_ much, but also not
>> >> >> negligible.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > ... which means we are still going to need a toolstack parameter to set
>> the
>> >> > limit. We already have a parameter for VRAM size so is having a
>> parameter
>> >> for
>> >> > max. GTT shadow ranges such a bad thing?
>> >>
>> >> It's workable, but not nice (see also Ian's earlier response).
>> >>
>> >> > Is the fact that the memory comes
>> >> > from xenheap rather than domheap the real problem?
>> >>
>> >> Not the primary one, since except on huge memory machines
>> >> both heaps are identical. To me the primary one is the quite
>> >> more significant resource consumption in the first place (I'm not
>> >> going to repeat what I've written in already way too many
>> >> replies before).
>> >
>> > Ok. Well the only way round tracking specific ranges for emulation (and
>> > consequently suffering the overhead) is tracking by type. For XenGT I
>> guess
>> > it would be possible to live with a situation where a single ioreq server can
>> > register all wp mem emulations for a given VM. I can't say I particularly
>> > like that way of doing things but if it's the only way forward then I guess
>> > we may have to live with it.
>> 
>> Well, subject to Ian not objecting (still awaiting some follow-up by
>> him), I didn't mean to say doing it the proposed way is a no-go.
>> All that I really insist on is that this larger resource consumption
>> won't go without some form of host admin consent.
> 
> Would you be ok with purely host admin consent e.g. just setting the limit 
> via boot command line?

I wouldn't be happy with that (and I've said so before), since it
would allow all VM this extra resource consumption.

Jan

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-03 13:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-29 10:45 [PATCH v12 0/3] Refactor ioreq server for better performance Yu Zhang
2016-01-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v12 1/3] Refactor rangeset structure " Yu Zhang
2016-01-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v12 2/3] Differentiate IO/mem resources tracked by ioreq server Yu Zhang
2016-01-29 10:45 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] tools: introduce parameter max_wp_ram_ranges Yu Zhang
2016-01-29 16:33   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-30 14:38     ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-01  7:52       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-01 12:02         ` Wei Liu
2016-02-01 12:15           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-01 12:49             ` Wei Liu
2016-02-01 13:07               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-01 15:14                 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-01 16:16                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-01 16:33                     ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-01 16:19                   ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-01 16:35                     ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-01 16:37                       ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-01 17:05                         ` Ian Jackson
2016-02-02  8:04                           ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-02 11:51                             ` Wei Liu
2016-02-02 13:56                               ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-02 10:32                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 10:56                             ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-02 11:12                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 14:01                                 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-02 14:42                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 15:00                                     ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-02 15:21                                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 15:19                                         ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-03  7:10                                         ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-03  8:32                                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-03 12:20                                             ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-03 12:35                                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-03 12:50                                                 ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-03 13:00                                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-03 13:07                                                     ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-03 13:17                                                       ` Jan Beulich [this message]
2016-02-03 13:18                                                         ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-03 14:43                                                           ` Ian Jackson
2016-02-03 15:10                                                             ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-03 17:50                                                               ` George Dunlap
2016-02-04  8:50                                                                 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-03 17:41                                                             ` George Dunlap
2016-02-03 18:21                                                               ` George Dunlap
2016-02-03 18:26                                                                 ` George Dunlap
2016-02-03 18:39                                                                 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-03 19:12                                                                   ` George Dunlap
2016-02-04  8:51                                                                     ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-04 10:49                                                                       ` George Dunlap
2016-02-04 11:08                                                                         ` Ian Campbell
2016-02-04 11:19                                                                           ` Ian Campbell
2016-02-04  8:50                                                                 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-04  9:28                                                                   ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-04  9:38                                                                     ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-04  9:49                                                                       ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-04 10:34                                                                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-04 13:33                                                                         ` Ian Jackson
2016-02-04 13:47                                                                           ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-04 14:12                                                                             ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-04 14:25                                                                               ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-04 15:06                                                                                 ` Ian Jackson
2016-02-04 15:51                                                                                   ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-05  3:47                                                                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-05  3:35                                                                               ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-04 14:08                                                                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-04 17:12                                                                             ` George Dunlap
2016-02-05  4:18                                                                               ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-05  8:41                                                                                 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-05  8:32                                                                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05  9:24                                                                                 ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-05 10:41                                                                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 11:14                                                                                   ` George Dunlap
2016-02-05 11:24                                                                                     ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-16  7:22                                                                                       ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-16  8:50                                                                                         ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-16 10:33                                                                                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-16 11:11                                                                                             ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-17  3:18                                                                                               ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17  8:58                                                                                                 ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-17  9:32                                                                                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17  9:58                                                                                                   ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 10:03                                                                                                     ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-17 10:22                                                                                                     ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 10:24                                                                                                       ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-17 10:25                                                                                                         ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 11:01                                                                                                       ` George Dunlap
2016-02-17 11:12                                                                                                         ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-22 15:56                                                                                                           ` George Dunlap
2016-02-22 16:02                                                                                                             ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-22 16:45                                                                                                               ` George Dunlap
2016-02-22 17:01                                                                                                                 ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-22 17:23                                                                                                                   ` George Dunlap
2016-02-22 17:34                                                                                                                     ` Paul Durrant
2016-02-05  8:41                                                                               ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-04 11:06                                                                       ` George Dunlap
2016-02-05  2:01                                                                         ` Zhiyuan Lv
2016-02-05  3:44                                                                           ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-05  8:38                                                                             ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-05 11:05                                                                             ` George Dunlap
2016-02-05 15:13                                                                               ` Zhiyuan Lv
2016-02-05 20:14                                                                                 ` George Dunlap
2016-02-05  8:40                                                                         ` Yu, Zhang
2016-02-04 10:06                                                               ` Ian Campbell
2016-02-05  3:31                                                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 11:31                             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-02 11:43                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 14:20                                 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-01 11:57   ` Wei Liu
2016-02-01 15:15     ` Yu, Zhang

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