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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 09/28] xen/x86: Calculate maximum host and guest featuresets
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 15:01:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56F15E3F.7030105@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56F16A5602000078000DF3D6@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 22/03/16 14:52, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 22.03.16 at 15:37, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 22/03/16 12:39, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 22.03.16 at 12:23, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>> On 18/03/16 17:09, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15.03.16 at 16:35, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> +static void __init calculate_hvm_featureset(void)
>>>>>> +{
>>>>>> +    unsigned int i;
>>>>>> +    const uint32_t *hvm_featuremask;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +    if ( !hvm_enabled )
>>>>>> +        return;
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +    hvm_featuremask = hvm_funcs.hap_supported ?
>>>>>> +        hvm_hap_featuremask : hvm_shadow_featuremask;
>>>>> I know I asked about this before, and it still puzzles me. Could you
>>>>> add some explanation of this to the commit message or a comment?
>>>> I am not sure what more I can say about it.
>>>>
>>>> The toolstack needs the be able to see the difference between a guest
>>>> started in shadow mode on hap hardware, to be able to correctly
>>>> calculate whether it can migrate to hap-incapable hardware. 
>>> Difference to what? A HAP guest? How would that difference be
>>> invisible if you surfaced two feature sets? Even more - with just
>>> one feature set exposed, how would the tool stack see that very
>>> difference?
>> At the moment, a toolstack creates a domain, and has no clue what the
>> domain can actually see in cpuid.  In particular, it can't retrieve the
>> "lost bits" which Xen dynamically disables.
> One more reason to expose the shadow and HAP feature sets
> separately, it would seem to me. Then the tool stack can have
> a clue.

When "get_cpuid" works properly, it will no longer be needed, which is
specifically why I am not putting it in the API.

The toolstack will be able to construct an arbitrary domain, call
get_cpuid to see exactly what the guest will see, and use that as the
basis of migrateability decisions.

It is just awkward that this information is needed at the moment when a
suitable interface from Xen isn't available.

~Andrew

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Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-15 15:34 [PATCH RFC v3 00/28] x86: Improvements to cpuid handling for guests Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:34 ` [PATCH v3 01/28] xen/x86: Drop unused and non-useful feature definitions Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  7:53   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-16  9:49     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 14:06   ` Doug Goldstein
2016-03-22 14:38     ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:34 ` [PATCH v3 02/28] xen/x86: Rename features to be closer to the vendor definitions Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:01   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-17 19:46     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:34 ` [PATCH v3 03/28] xen/public: Export cpu featureset information in the public API Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:32   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-22 10:39     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-18 15:52   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 04/28] xen/x86: Script to automatically process featureset information Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:41   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 05/28] xen/x86: Collect more cpuid feature leaves Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:50   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 06/28] xen/x86: Mask out unknown features from Xen's capabilities Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:01   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 07/28] xen/x86: Annotate special features Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:04   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-18 16:29   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 08/28] xen/x86: Annotate VM applicability in featureset Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:15   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-18 16:57   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-18 18:56     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 11:53       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-21 13:39         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 09/28] xen/x86: Calculate maximum host and guest featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:24   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-18 17:09   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 11:23     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 12:39       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 14:37         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 14:52           ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 15:01             ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-03-22 16:10               ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 10/28] xen/x86: Generate deep dependencies of features Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 19:45   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-17 20:14     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 20:32       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-21 15:41   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 11/28] xen/x86: Clear dependent features when clearing a cpu cap Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 19:51   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-17 19:56     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-28 15:02       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-21 15:45   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 12/28] xen/x86: Improve disabling of features which have dependencies Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 13/28] xen/x86: Improvements to in-hypervisor cpuid sanity checks Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:11   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 15:30     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 14/28] x86/cpu: Move set_cpumask() calls into c_early_init() Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:16   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 15/28] x86/cpu: Sysctl and common infrastructure for levelling context switching Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 17:35   ` Joao Martins
2016-03-15 19:29     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 19:34       ` Joao Martins
2016-03-21 16:23   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 15:57     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 16:16       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 16/28] x86/cpu: Rework AMD masking MSR setup Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:51   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-21 16:55     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 17/28] x86/cpu: Rework Intel masking/faulting setup Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:44   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 18/28] x86/cpu: Context switch cpuid masks and faulting state in context_switch() Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 19/28] x86/pv: Provide custom cpumasks for PV domains Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:53   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 20/28] x86/domctl: Update PV domain cpumasks when setting cpuid policy Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 17:06   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 16:37     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 16:51       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 21/28] xen+tools: Export maximum host and guest cpu featuresets via SYSCTL Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:23   ` Wei Liu
2016-03-16 20:38     ` David Scott
2016-03-22  8:43   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 20:39     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 22/28] tools/libxc: Modify bitmap operations to take void pointers Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 15:24   ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 12:17   ` Wei Liu
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 23/28] tools/libxc: Use public/featureset.h for cpuid policy generation Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 24/28] tools/libxc: Expose the automatically generated cpu featuremask information Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 25/28] tools: Utility for dealing with featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:23   ` Wei Liu
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 26/28] tools/libxc: Wire a featureset through to cpuid policy logic Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 27/28] tools/libxc: Use featuresets rather than guesswork Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 28/28] tools/libxc: Calculate xstate cpuid leaf from guest information Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:23   ` Wei Liu

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