From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751925AbcC2GBe (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 Mar 2016 02:01:34 -0400 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([58.251.152.64]:32829 "EHLO szxga01-in.huawei.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750864AbcC2GBa (ORCPT ); Tue, 29 Mar 2016 02:01:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] perf core: Add backward attribute to perf event To: Alexei Starovoitov References: <1459147292-239310-1-git-send-email-wangnan0@huawei.com> <1459147292-239310-5-git-send-email-wangnan0@huawei.com> <56F9E1F4.2050807@huawei.com> <20160329045908.GB9017@ast-mbp.thefacebook.com> CC: Alexei Starovoitov , Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo , Peter Zijlstra , , Brendan Gregg , He Kuang , Jiri Olsa , "Masami Hiramatsu" , Namhyung Kim , , Zefan Li From: "Wangnan (F)" Message-ID: <56FA19DD.6040708@huawei.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:59:57 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160329045908.GB9017@ast-mbp.thefacebook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.111.66.109] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.56FA19EF.0075,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: e5cb591b5e2777804490b4ba6b2467d0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 2016/3/29 12:59, Alexei Starovoitov wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:01:24AM +0800, Wangnan (F) wrote: >> >> On 2016/3/28 14:41, Wang Nan wrote: >> >> [SNIP] >> >>> To prevent this problem, we need to find a way to ensure the ring buffer >>> is stable during reading. ioctl(PERF_EVENT_IOC_PAUSE_OUTPUT) is >>> suggested because its overhead is lower than >>> ioctl(PERF_EVENT_IOC_ENABLE). >>> >> Add comment: >> >> By carefully verifying 'header' pointer, reader can avoid pausing the >> ring-buffer. For example: >> >> /* A union of all possible events */ >> union perf_event event; >> >> p = head = perf_mmap__read_head(); >> while (true) { >> /* copy header of next event */ >> fetch(&event.header, p, sizeof(event.header)); >> >> /* read 'head' pointer */ >> head = perf_mmap__read_head(); >> >> /* check overwritten: is the header good? */ >> if (!verify(sizeof(event.header), p, head)) >> break; >> >> /* copy the whole event */ >> fetch(&event, p, event.header.size); >> >> /* read 'head' pointer again */ >> head = perf_mmap__read_head(); >> >> /* is the whole event good? */ >> if (!verify(event.header.size, p, head)) >> break; >> p += event.header.size; >> } >> >> However, the overhead is high because: >> >> a) In-place decoding is unsafe. Copy-verifying-decode is required. >> b) Fetching 'head' pointer requires additional synchronization. > Such trick may work, but pause is needed for more than stability > of reading. When we collect the events into overwrite buffer > we're waiting for some other trigger (like all cpu utilization > spike or just one cpu running and all others are idle) and when > it happens the buffer has valuable info from the past. At this > point new events are no longer interesting and buffer should > be paused, events read and unpaused until next trigger comes. Agree. I just want to provide an alternative method. I'm trying to finger out pausing is not mandatory but highly recommended in man page and commit messages. Thank you.