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From: Sergey Fedorov <serge.fdrv@gmail.com>
To: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	mttcg@listserver.greensocs.com, fred.konrad@greensocs.com,
	a.rigo@virtualopensystems.com, cota@braap.org
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mark.burton@greensocs.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, jan.kiszka@siemens.com, rth@twiddle.net,
	peter.maydell@linaro.org, claudio.fontana@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 03/11] docs: new design document multi-thread-tcg.txt (DRAFTING)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 23:00:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <570C0276.8040501@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1459870344-16773-4-git-send-email-alex.bennee@linaro.org>

On 05/04/16 18:32, Alex Bennée wrote:

(snip)
> +Introduction
> +============
> +
> +This document outlines the design for multi-threaded TCG emulation.
> +The original TCG implementation was single threaded and dealt with
> +multiple CPUs by with simple round-robin scheduling. This simplified a
> +lot of things but became increasingly limited as systems being
> +emulated gained additional cores and per-core performance gains for
> +host systems started to level off.

This looks like the description of system-mode TCG only. Maybe it would
be worth mentioning current status of user-mode multithreading support
as well?

(snip)
> +Shared Data Structures
> +======================
> +
> +Global TCG State
> +----------------
> +
> +We need to protect the entire code generation cycle including any post
> +generation patching of the translated code. This also implies a shared
> +translation buffer which contains code running on all cores. Any
> +execution path that comes to the main run loop will need to hold a
> +mutex for code generation. This also includes times when we need flush
> +code or jumps from the tb_cache.
> +
> +DESIGN REQUIREMENT: Add locking around all code generation, patching
> +and jump cache modification.

I think we could also benefit from some kind of "lock-free" algorithms
where it is possible. So locking as a requirement seems to be a bit too
enforcing. Regarding shared translation buffer, how is it implied? Don't
we have on option of separate per-vCPU code cache? (Maybe I missed some
discussion on this?)

> +
> +Translation Blocks
> +------------------
> +
> +Currently the whole system shares a single code generation buffer
> +which when full will force a flush of all translations and start from
> +scratch again.
> +
> +Once a basic block has been translated it will continue to be used
> +until it is invalidated. These invalidation events are typically due
> +to page changes in system emulation

I didn't dig too deep into this yet, but TLB invalidation after
virtual-to-physical address mapping changes doesn't seem to invalidate
any TBs in system mode...

>  and changes in memory mapping in
> +user mode. Debugging operations 

and self modifying code

> can also trigger invalidation's.
> +
> +The invalidation also requires removing the TB from look-ups
> +(tb_phys_hash and tb_jmp_cache) as well removing any direct TB to TB
> +patched jumps.

We could probably get by lazy approach with just preventing to pick up
invalidated TBs from look-ups. It also possible not to remove direct
jumps from the TB being invalidated to other TBs since it is not going
to be executed anyway.

> +
> +DESIGN REQUIREMENT: Safely handle invalidation of TBs

It would probably be a good idea to include translation buffer flush
considerations as well.

> +
> +Memory maps and TLBs
> +--------------------
> +
> +The memory handling code is fairly critical to the speed of memory
> +access in the emulated system.
> +

It would be nice to put some intro sentence for the following bullets :)

> +  - Memory regions (dividing up access to PIO, MMIO and RAM)
> +  - Dirty page tracking (for code gen, migration and display)
> +  - Virtual TLB (for translating guest address->real address)
> +
> +There is a both a fast path walked by the generated code and a slow
> +path when resolution is required. When the TLB tables are updated we
> +need to ensure they are done in a safe way by bringing all executing
> +threads to a halt before making the modifications.

Again, I think we could benefit if we could possibly manage to avoid
bringing vCPU threads to halt.

Nothing about memory regions and dirty page tracking?

> +
> +DESIGN REQUIREMENTS:
> +
> +  - TLB Flush All/Page
> +    - can be across-CPUs
> +    - will need all other CPUs brought to a halt

s/will/may/ ?

> +  - TLB Update (update a CPUTLBEntry, via tlb_set_page_with_attrs)
> +    - This is a per-CPU table - by definition can't race
> +    - updated by it's own thread when the slow-path is forced
(snip)
> +Memory Consistency
> +==================
> +
> +Between emulated guests and host systems there are a range of memory
> +consistency models. While emulating weakly ordered systems on strongly
> +ordered hosts shouldn't cause any problems the same is not true for
> +the reverse setup.
> +
> +The proposed design currently does not address the problem of
> +emulating strong ordering on a weakly ordered host although even on
> +strongly ordered systems software should be using synchronisation
> +primitives to ensure correct operation.

e.g. strongly-ordered x86 allows store-after-load reordering and
provides memory fences to synchronize.

> +
> +Memory Barriers
> +---------------
> +
> +Barriers (sometimes known as fences) provide a mechanism for software
> +to enforce a particular ordering of memory operations from the point
> +of view of external observers (e.g. another processor core). They can
> +apply to any memory operations as well as just loads or stores.
> +
> +The Linux kernel has an excellent write-up on the various forms of
> +memory barrier and the guarantees they can provide [1].
> +
> +Barriers are often wrapped around synchronisation primitives to
> +provide explicit memory ordering semantics. However they can be used
> +by themselves to provide safe lockless access by ensuring for example
> +a signal flag will always be set after a payload.
> +
> +DESIGN REQUIREMENT: Add a new tcg_memory_barrier op
> +
> +This would enforce a strong load/store ordering so all loads/stores
> +complete at the memory barrier. On single-core non-SMP strongly
> +ordered backends this could become a NOP.
> +
> +There may be a case for further refinement if this causes performance
> +bottlenecks.

I think we'd better make a provision and add some flags to the memory
barrier operation to specify what kind of barrier is required.

Another idea is that we could associate memory ordering attribute with
each TCG load/store operation and meet memory ordering requirements
across various TCG targets and hosts in a uniform way.

(snip)

Kind regards,
Sergey

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-11 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-05 15:32 [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 00/11] Base enabling patches for MTTCG Alex Bennée
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 01/11] tcg: move tb_invalidated_flag to CPUState Alex Bennée
2016-04-05 15:44   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-06 10:11     ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 02/11] cpus: make all_vcpus_paused() return bool Alex Bennée
2016-04-11 12:48   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 03/11] docs: new design document multi-thread-tcg.txt (DRAFTING) Alex Bennée
2016-04-11 20:00   ` Sergey Fedorov [this message]
2016-05-25 15:48     ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25 16:01       ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-25 18:03       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-25 18:13         ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-06 11:25   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 04/11] tcg: comment on which functions have to be called with tb_lock held Alex Bennée
2016-05-05 14:19   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-05 15:03     ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-05 15:25       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-05 15:42         ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-06 18:22   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-11 12:58     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-11 13:36       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-11 13:46         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-12 19:32           ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-13  9:25             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 05/11] tcg: protect TBContext with tb_lock Alex Bennée
2016-05-11 12:45   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-11 12:52     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-11 13:42       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-01 10:30     ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-02 14:37       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 06/11] target-arm/psci.c: wake up sleeping CPUs Alex Bennée
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 07/11] tcg: cpus rm tcg_exec_all() Alex Bennée
2016-05-26 11:03   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-26 13:10     ` Alex Bennée
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 08/11] tcg: add options for enabling MTTCG Alex Bennée
2016-04-11 20:50   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-12 11:48     ` Alex Bennée
2016-04-12 11:59       ` Peter Maydell
2016-04-12 12:42         ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-12 12:50           ` KONRAD Frederic
2016-04-12 13:00             ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-12 13:03               ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2016-04-12 13:19                 ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-12 14:23                 ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-09 10:47                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-12 12:48       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-09 10:45     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-09 11:50       ` Alex Bennée
2016-04-12 13:23   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-12 14:28     ` Alex Bennée
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 09/11] tcg: add kick timer for single-threaded vCPU emulation Alex Bennée
2016-04-11 21:39   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-02 16:00     ` Alex Bennée
2016-06-02 16:05       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 10/11] tcg: drop global lock during TCG code execution Alex Bennée
2016-05-24 21:28   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-25 10:33     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-25 11:07       ` Alex Bennée
2016-05-25 12:46         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-05 15:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 11/11] tcg: enable thread-per-vCPU Alex Bennée
2016-05-27 13:57   ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-27 14:55     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-27 15:07       ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-05-27 15:25         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-05-27 18:54           ` Sergey Fedorov
2016-06-02 16:36             ` Alex Bennée

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