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From: Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org>
To: "Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>
Cc: Senol Yazici <sypsilon@googlemail.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Randall S. Becker" <rsbecker@nexbridge.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, msuchanek@suse.de, jpyeron@pdinc.us
Subject: Re: [RFE] Demilitarize Documentation (was RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure))
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 20:16:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57234e45-69f3-8ff8-b232-eff4985efda5@iee.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.1902191547510.41@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>

Hi all,

On 19/02/2019 14:58, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> Hi Gábor,
>
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, SZEDER Gábor wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:02:43AM +0100, Senol Yazici wrote:
>>> 1. Dictator
>>> Concern: "Bad" connotation.
>> "Benevolent dictator" is a well-established term in open source
>> projects, and it has an inherently good connotation.
> It is a well-established term, alright. Does it have an inherently good
> connotation? No, absolutely not. Every time anybody calls me the BDFL of
> Git for Windows, it annoys me, to say the least.
>
> And yes, when I pull out my generous self, I can give you that the
> *intention* was funny. But to some, it is not funny at all.
>
> Besides, in our field we had pretty established terminology for a long
> time. It was the *architect* who had the final say over what goes in and
> what stays out. And the respective team leaders were responsible for
> respective areas of the code, trusted by the architect.
>
>>> Further, "googling" dictator does not give Linus as a result in (at
>>> least my) search (bubble).
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life
>>
>>> Suggestion for substitution: Principal or principal integrator.
>> These are poor substitutions.
> I agree that those are poor substitutions, but shooting down without
> giving better alternatives is a poor way to reply ;-)
>
> Ciao,
> Dscho

I tend to agree that the 'Dictator' perspective is probably a pretty 
poor choice in modern times, while the other (Lieutenant, Blessed, etc.) 
word choices are now considered (in much of the millennial society) to 
be old fashioned, or worse.

However I do caution that we can't be fair all the time. There are a 
range of impossibility theorems [1,2] regarding making things fair.

Ultimately some one (The Maintainer) must make the discriminatory 
decision as to what to accept, what to choose, or  to reject, or select 
their own preference.

A probably bigger problem is actually the limited number of actual 
workflows styles that are recorded (and hence shortage of words for 
them). For example: patches vs PRs; review process style; even a term 
for the users 'backup' repo (on GitHub, GitLab, etc) and how it should 
operate. The mental models here can be hard.


Philip


[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIXIuYdnyyk Tutorial: 21 fairness 
definitions and their politics, Published on Mar 1, 2018

[2] Arvind Narayanan: Associate professor of computer science at 
Princeton <https://www.youtube.com/user/33BitsOfEntropy>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-02-19 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-18 16:51 [RFE] Demilitarize Documentation (was RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)) Randall S. Becker
2019-02-18 17:26 ` Michal Suchánek
2019-02-18 18:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-19  8:02   ` Senol Yazici
2019-02-19  9:39     ` Michal Suchánek
2019-02-19 14:47       ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-02-19 16:28         ` Michal Suchánek
2019-02-19 10:01     ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-02-19 11:00       ` Senol Yazici
2019-02-19 14:58       ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-02-19 16:20         ` Michal Suchánek
2019-02-20 19:54           ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-02-19 20:16         ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2019-02-20 11:17         ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-02-19 11:19     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-19 13:33       ` Michal Suchánek
2019-02-19 13:52       ` Christian Couder
2019-02-19 13:58         ` Michal Suchánek

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